Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Death grip on the wheel for the driver. On the chicken bar (over the glove box) for
the passenger. Feet on the floor (or brake). You want all of you to stay inside the
cage the entire time. That said, I dont wear my shoulder belt off road much. It
bothers me, locks up an the most awful times, and I cant reach things I need to reach
with it on (HAM radio, front locker, etc). However, I have installed a 3" lapbelt.
I was wearing it at the time of my roll. I got some really nasty bruises due to
carrying my keys and pocket knife at the time, but they healed up pretty fast. I
dont know on the ignition, I turned mine off as soon as I thought I had stopped
rolling. Eventually I plan to put racing seats and 4/5 point harnesses in my rig.
One reason I ended up without thinking about it much, with the death grip on the
wheel was that being doorless, I was worried that I might get a shoulder out and have
it sanded off on the rock. I do beleive that hitting slick rock is akin to going
down on a bike on the pavement. Major road rash.

My roll is at:
http://www.whizamfmtv.com/users/chri...ort%20roll.mpg in case you have not
seen it and want to. (Lord knows that damn near everyone else in wheeling has!
<sigh>)





On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
>>ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
>>bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
>>too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
>>what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
>>feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
>>Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
>>a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
>>rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Death grip on the wheel for the driver. On the chicken bar (over the glove box) for
the passenger. Feet on the floor (or brake). You want all of you to stay inside the
cage the entire time. That said, I dont wear my shoulder belt off road much. It
bothers me, locks up an the most awful times, and I cant reach things I need to reach
with it on (HAM radio, front locker, etc). However, I have installed a 3" lapbelt.
I was wearing it at the time of my roll. I got some really nasty bruises due to
carrying my keys and pocket knife at the time, but they healed up pretty fast. I
dont know on the ignition, I turned mine off as soon as I thought I had stopped
rolling. Eventually I plan to put racing seats and 4/5 point harnesses in my rig.
One reason I ended up without thinking about it much, with the death grip on the
wheel was that being doorless, I was worried that I might get a shoulder out and have
it sanded off on the rock. I do beleive that hitting slick rock is akin to going
down on a bike on the pavement. Major road rash.

My roll is at:
http://www.whizamfmtv.com/users/chri...ort%20roll.mpg in case you have not
seen it and want to. (Lord knows that damn near everyone else in wheeling has!
<sigh>)





On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
>>ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
>>bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
>>too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
>>what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
>>feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
>>Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
>>a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
>>rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Death grip on the wheel for the driver. On the chicken bar (over the glove box) for
the passenger. Feet on the floor (or brake). You want all of you to stay inside the
cage the entire time. That said, I dont wear my shoulder belt off road much. It
bothers me, locks up an the most awful times, and I cant reach things I need to reach
with it on (HAM radio, front locker, etc). However, I have installed a 3" lapbelt.
I was wearing it at the time of my roll. I got some really nasty bruises due to
carrying my keys and pocket knife at the time, but they healed up pretty fast. I
dont know on the ignition, I turned mine off as soon as I thought I had stopped
rolling. Eventually I plan to put racing seats and 4/5 point harnesses in my rig.
One reason I ended up without thinking about it much, with the death grip on the
wheel was that being doorless, I was worried that I might get a shoulder out and have
it sanded off on the rock. I do beleive that hitting slick rock is akin to going
down on a bike on the pavement. Major road rash.

My roll is at:
http://www.whizamfmtv.com/users/chri...ort%20roll.mpg in case you have not
seen it and want to. (Lord knows that damn near everyone else in wheeling has!
<sigh>)





On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
>>ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
>>bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
>>too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
>>what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
>>feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
>>Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
>>a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
>>rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:37:36 UTC Woodsy <Woods@ymadbbs.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)

Sounds like a guy I used to fly with. If he wasn't actually making
the takeoff or landing it was feet on the instrument panel, lap and
shoulder harness locked, hands gripping the frame uder the front edge
of the seat. Seems he had 'survived' 3 takeoffs in the F89 where an
engine failed after max refusal speed and prior to min single engine
speed (otherwise known as the suicide box) and claimed that he learned
from the experience.

One of the best parts of flying maintainance test was the FOD check
where we rolled inverted and gathered up all the crap that fell from
the floor up onto the canopy. I have a pretty good seletion of
wrenches and screwdrivers garnered that way over the years. Really
good sticks could suspend things in mid air then use throttle and
rudder to bring them within easy reach.

Having seen the damage that the puny little lap/shoulder belts do in
any significant impact makes me wish I had a good a/c rated 3 inch set
of shoulder harness with a 4 inch lap belt when things fget rough.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:37:36 UTC Woodsy <Woods@ymadbbs.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)

Sounds like a guy I used to fly with. If he wasn't actually making
the takeoff or landing it was feet on the instrument panel, lap and
shoulder harness locked, hands gripping the frame uder the front edge
of the seat. Seems he had 'survived' 3 takeoffs in the F89 where an
engine failed after max refusal speed and prior to min single engine
speed (otherwise known as the suicide box) and claimed that he learned
from the experience.

One of the best parts of flying maintainance test was the FOD check
where we rolled inverted and gathered up all the crap that fell from
the floor up onto the canopy. I have a pretty good seletion of
wrenches and screwdrivers garnered that way over the years. Really
good sticks could suspend things in mid air then use throttle and
rudder to bring them within easy reach.

Having seen the damage that the puny little lap/shoulder belts do in
any significant impact makes me wish I had a good a/c rated 3 inch set
of shoulder harness with a 4 inch lap belt when things fget rough.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:37:36 UTC Woodsy <Woods@ymadbbs.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)

Sounds like a guy I used to fly with. If he wasn't actually making
the takeoff or landing it was feet on the instrument panel, lap and
shoulder harness locked, hands gripping the frame uder the front edge
of the seat. Seems he had 'survived' 3 takeoffs in the F89 where an
engine failed after max refusal speed and prior to min single engine
speed (otherwise known as the suicide box) and claimed that he learned
from the experience.

One of the best parts of flying maintainance test was the FOD check
where we rolled inverted and gathered up all the crap that fell from
the floor up onto the canopy. I have a pretty good seletion of
wrenches and screwdrivers garnered that way over the years. Really
good sticks could suspend things in mid air then use throttle and
rudder to bring them within easy reach.

Having seen the damage that the puny little lap/shoulder belts do in
any significant impact makes me wish I had a good a/c rated 3 inch set
of shoulder harness with a 4 inch lap belt when things fget rough.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Woodsy wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)
>

103' Damn that's a good one. Best I ever pulled off was on the Minas
Basin mud/sand flats. (highest tides in the world) A hair over 90'.
That rear engine sure would let those Bugs fly.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Woodsy wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)
>

103' Damn that's a good one. Best I ever pulled off was on the Minas
Basin mud/sand flats. (highest tides in the world) A hair over 90'.
That rear engine sure would let those Bugs fly.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

Woodsy wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 06:34:27 -0500, travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> >ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> >bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> >too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> >what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> >feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> >Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> >a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> >rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
> 5 point harness with wrist straps to keep the impulse of holding the immovable
> object back with appendages from pinning said appendage between roll
> cage and the aforementioned immovable object.
>
> In terms of prep, the debris in the cockpit is brutal, trapped in there with you.
> Tool boxes, jacks, coolers, and passengers rapidly tumble like in a dryer!
>
> When its happening, with a harness, cover your face and head (feet on dash?)
> otherwise, just hang on! (not a bad idea, helps to keep the hands and FEET in
> the vehicle)
>
> Nothing increased my testicular size greater than the new race seats and 5 points
> in my VW rail buggy. 103 measured feet between takeoff and landing. Best of many
> jumps that day. (and road legal 2boot!)
>

103' Damn that's a good one. Best I ever pulled off was on the Minas
Basin mud/sand flats. (highest tides in the world) A hair over 90'.
That rear engine sure would let those Bugs fly.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's