Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:unq9qv8ss52plso2t8u1boflano8n3e4od@4ax.com...
> Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
>

Get a full 6-point roll cage, for one. You will want frame gussets welded on
to bolt the cage to in the driver and passenger footwells.

DO NOT get those cute little velcro hand hold things that go on the roll
bars. If the passenger is holding onto them during a roll over, they will
suffer serious injury to their hand. You should hold the steering wheel, and
your passenger should hold the grab handle over the glove box door. Mashing
a dent into the floor with the brake pedal is something you have to play by
ear. The death grip on the steering wheel/grab handle is a requirement,
mashing the brake is probably a good plan, but not helpful - depending upon
the direction of the roll over. Mashing the brake at the exact wrong time
can actually be the cause of a roll over that would otherwise not have
occurred. But, it is a considerably different thing to be sitting in a pile
of ---- (literally your own) and watching the planet turn upsidedown, and
standing at the bottom of the hill wondering why the idiot is using the
brakes at that particular moment.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:unq9qv8ss52plso2t8u1boflano8n3e4od@4ax.com...
> Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
>

Get a full 6-point roll cage, for one. You will want frame gussets welded on
to bolt the cage to in the driver and passenger footwells.

DO NOT get those cute little velcro hand hold things that go on the roll
bars. If the passenger is holding onto them during a roll over, they will
suffer serious injury to their hand. You should hold the steering wheel, and
your passenger should hold the grab handle over the glove box door. Mashing
a dent into the floor with the brake pedal is something you have to play by
ear. The death grip on the steering wheel/grab handle is a requirement,
mashing the brake is probably a good plan, but not helpful - depending upon
the direction of the roll over. Mashing the brake at the exact wrong time
can actually be the cause of a roll over that would otherwise not have
occurred. But, it is a considerably different thing to be sitting in a pile
of ---- (literally your own) and watching the planet turn upsidedown, and
standing at the bottom of the hill wondering why the idiot is using the
brakes at that particular moment.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:unq9qv8ss52plso2t8u1boflano8n3e4od@4ax.com...
> Not that I want to roll my Jeep or anything like that, but planning
> ahead for the worst I want to put in some better seat belts and a roll
> bar that would survive a roll well enough to let me survive the roll,
> too. I'm curious... assuming I keep my wits about me during a roll,
> what's the best thing to do? Jam down on the brake pedal with both
> feet as hard as I can and hold the steering wheel in a death grip?
> Turn the ignition off if I have time? What's the best thing to do in
> a rollover? I know the best thing to do would be to PREVENT a
> rollover, but I just have this strange feeling...
>
>
>

Get a full 6-point roll cage, for one. You will want frame gussets welded on
to bolt the cage to in the driver and passenger footwells.

DO NOT get those cute little velcro hand hold things that go on the roll
bars. If the passenger is holding onto them during a roll over, they will
suffer serious injury to their hand. You should hold the steering wheel, and
your passenger should hold the grab handle over the glove box door. Mashing
a dent into the floor with the brake pedal is something you have to play by
ear. The death grip on the steering wheel/grab handle is a requirement,
mashing the brake is probably a good plan, but not helpful - depending upon
the direction of the roll over. Mashing the brake at the exact wrong time
can actually be the cause of a roll over that would otherwise not have
occurred. But, it is a considerably different thing to be sitting in a pile
of ---- (literally your own) and watching the planet turn upsidedown, and
standing at the bottom of the hill wondering why the idiot is using the
brakes at that particular moment.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
have
> any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
have
> been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
have
> been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
shake
> it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
mmmmmmmm,
> maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> being jerked back and forth. be safe!
>
>
The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
the roll cage.

Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
fortune to not be involved in any of those.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
have
> any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
have
> been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
have
> been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
shake
> it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
mmmmmmmm,
> maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> being jerked back and forth. be safe!
>
>
The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
the roll cage.

Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
fortune to not be involved in any of those.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

"Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
have
> any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
have
> been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
have
> been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
shake
> it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
mmmmmmmm,
> maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> being jerked back and forth. be safe!
>
>
The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
the roll cage.

Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
fortune to not be involved in any of those.

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

CRWLR wrote:
>
> "Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> > my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
> have
> > any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
> have
> > been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> > accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
> have
> > been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
> shake
> > it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> > patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> > personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
> mmmmmmmm,
> > maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> > also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> > being jerked back and forth. be safe!
> >
> >
> The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
> of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
> of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
> and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
> allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
> the roll cage.
>
> Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
> the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
> never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
> there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
> fortune to not be involved in any of those.

I have been over twice, once as a driver and once as a passenger and the
'death grip' is the way to go.

I wheel on 'really' twisty stuff and can't wear a shoulder strap, it
does some bad damage sometimes so only wear the lap belt. Hanging on is
the only way to go.

Sometimes letting off the brake can stop a roll too, so you have to
think quick to get out of it in maybe one piece. (you and the Jeep)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

CRWLR wrote:
>
> "Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> > my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
> have
> > any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
> have
> > been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> > accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
> have
> > been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
> shake
> > it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> > patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> > personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
> mmmmmmmm,
> > maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> > also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> > being jerked back and forth. be safe!
> >
> >
> The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
> of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
> of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
> and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
> allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
> the roll cage.
>
> Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
> the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
> never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
> there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
> fortune to not be involved in any of those.

I have been over twice, once as a driver and once as a passenger and the
'death grip' is the way to go.

I wheel on 'really' twisty stuff and can't wear a shoulder strap, it
does some bad damage sometimes so only wear the lap belt. Hanging on is
the only way to go.

Sometimes letting off the brake can stop a roll too, so you have to
think quick to get out of it in maybe one piece. (you and the Jeep)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

CRWLR wrote:
>
> "Mark A. Stewart" <marbrenbran1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4x8pb.2026$9M3.74@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > i would let go of the wheel, fold my hands over my head and face and plant
> > my feet firmly against the floor, and hopefully enjoy the ride. i don't
> have
> > any first hand experience. but, i have often thought the same thing. i
> have
> > been a paramedic for 26 years and have run on several cj, yj and tj
> > accidents. most have faired pretty well. most of the trail accidents i
> have
> > been on were rather low impact roll-overs and the riders were able to
> shake
> > it off. the best part for me was riding in some guys jeep to get us to the
> > patients(had to leave the ambulance back at the trail head). i would
> > personally feel better having a four point harness holding me in.
> mmmmmmmm,
> > maybe i will install one soon, i often worry about my 7 y/o son. i would
> > also worry about broken arms by having a deathgrip on the steering wheel
> > being jerked back and forth. be safe!
> >
> >
> The Number 1 Goal during a roll over is to keep yourself inside the confines
> of the roll cage, the best way to do that is to hold onto the steering wheel
> of grab handle -- depending upon which seat you are occupying at the time --
> and hang on. I understand your impulse to cover your face, but this can
> allow you to flop from side to side and possibly go beyond the confines of
> the roll cage.
>
> Most offroading accidents that we see are very low speed, indeed sometimes
> the vehicle has stopped moving entirely then tips over, and over. I have
> never seen one where the vehicle occupants did not walk away, but cleary
> there are many that get some serious injuries. I have just had the great
> fortune to not be involved in any of those.

I have been over twice, once as a driver and once as a passenger and the
'death grip' is the way to go.

I wheel on 'really' twisty stuff and can't wear a shoulder strap, it
does some bad damage sometimes so only wear the lap belt. Hanging on is
the only way to go.

Sometimes letting off the brake can stop a roll too, so you have to
think quick to get out of it in maybe one piece. (you and the Jeep)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: Followup question about rolling
 

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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Get a full 6-point roll cage, for one. You will want frame gussets welded on
> to bolt the cage to in the driver and passenger footwells.
>
> DO NOT get those cute little velcro hand hold things that go on the roll
> bars. If the passenger is holding onto them during a roll over, they will
> suffer serious injury to their hand. You should hold the steering wheel, and
> your passenger should hold the grab handle over the glove box door. Mashing
> a dent into the floor with the brake pedal is something you have to play by
> ear. The death grip on the steering wheel/grab handle is a requirement,
> mashing the brake is probably a good plan, but not helpful - depending upon
> the direction of the roll over. Mashing the brake at the exact wrong time
> can actually be the cause of a roll over that would otherwise not have
> occurred. But, it is a considerably different thing to be sitting in a pile
> of ---- (literally your own) and watching the planet turn upsidedown, and
> standing at the bottom of the hill wondering why the idiot is using the
> brakes at that particular moment.