billy ray

At an off-road rally this summer a WJ hydrolocked because they failed to
follow the line laid out by the safety spotters and tried to set a speed
record crossing a water hazard covered with only 18 inches of water.. (the
WJ cold air intake is at 36 inches stock)


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45afecee$0$2906$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water, let alone had
>the rad stuffed full of mud on 'many' occasions. I have even had to clean
>the rad in the bush before I could drive home... Same for the charcoal
>canister's air filter. Have had to crack open the gas cap a few times to
>get home too. I used to go through 3 or 4 fan belts a year when I was mud
>pit running. It also eats fan clutches. I like snowman's idea about the
>O-rings and waterproof grease to try and help seal them.
>
> Strange things can happen when you have a bow wave pouring off the
> windshield....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water
>> everywhere. This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in
>> the desert?
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:4kavq2t02n3nqs2kb6r48g2u7sntumdvcl@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:23:51 -0800, "Carl"
>>> <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trouble with a flex fan is if you hit mud or deep water its going
>>>> EVERYWHERE and probably going to damage the fan.
>>>
>>> Never seen it happen. The worst that might happen is you might throw a
>>> belt. Mud has to get through raditor and shroud to get to fan (water
>>> is not a problem) and if that much mud gets through raditor then it is
>>> toast and you will not be running long regardless of fan type.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>

billy ray

At an off-road rally this summer a WJ hydrolocked because they failed to
follow the line laid out by the safety spotters and tried to set a speed
record crossing a water hazard covered with only 18 inches of water.. (the
WJ cold air intake is at 36 inches stock)


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45afecee$0$2906$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water, let alone had
>the rad stuffed full of mud on 'many' occasions. I have even had to clean
>the rad in the bush before I could drive home... Same for the charcoal
>canister's air filter. Have had to crack open the gas cap a few times to
>get home too. I used to go through 3 or 4 fan belts a year when I was mud
>pit running. It also eats fan clutches. I like snowman's idea about the
>O-rings and waterproof grease to try and help seal them.
>
> Strange things can happen when you have a bow wave pouring off the
> windshield....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water
>> everywhere. This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in
>> the desert?
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:4kavq2t02n3nqs2kb6r48g2u7sntumdvcl@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:23:51 -0800, "Carl"
>>> <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trouble with a flex fan is if you hit mud or deep water its going
>>>> EVERYWHERE and probably going to damage the fan.
>>>
>>> Never seen it happen. The worst that might happen is you might throw a
>>> belt. Mud has to get through raditor and shroud to get to fan (water
>>> is not a problem) and if that much mud gets through raditor then it is
>>> toast and you will not be running long regardless of fan type.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>

billy ray

At an off-road rally this summer a WJ hydrolocked because they failed to
follow the line laid out by the safety spotters and tried to set a speed
record crossing a water hazard covered with only 18 inches of water.. (the
WJ cold air intake is at 36 inches stock)


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45afecee$0$2906$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water, let alone had
>the rad stuffed full of mud on 'many' occasions. I have even had to clean
>the rad in the bush before I could drive home... Same for the charcoal
>canister's air filter. Have had to crack open the gas cap a few times to
>get home too. I used to go through 3 or 4 fan belts a year when I was mud
>pit running. It also eats fan clutches. I like snowman's idea about the
>O-rings and waterproof grease to try and help seal them.
>
> Strange things can happen when you have a bow wave pouring off the
> windshield....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water
>> everywhere. This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in
>> the desert?
>>
>>
>> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:4kavq2t02n3nqs2kb6r48g2u7sntumdvcl@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:23:51 -0800, "Carl"
>>> <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trouble with a flex fan is if you hit mud or deep water its going
>>>> EVERYWHERE and probably going to damage the fan.
>>>
>>> Never seen it happen. The worst that might happen is you might throw a
>>> belt. Mud has to get through raditor and shroud to get to fan (water
>>> is not a problem) and if that much mud gets through raditor then it is
>>> toast and you will not be running long regardless of fan type.
>>> -----------------
>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>

SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:15:20 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water everywhere.
>This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in the desert?


I have seen it sling it a lot but not with enough mass to do any
damage. THe beggest danger from water is it drowning out engine not
from water flying off blades damaging things. You could even do like
they do on a dozer for mud runs, have the fan blow air out instead of
suck air in. THey do that to keep stuff from getting sucked in the
front and plugging up core.
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SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:15:20 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water everywhere.
>This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in the desert?


I have seen it sling it a lot but not with enough mass to do any
damage. THe beggest danger from water is it drowning out engine not
from water flying off blades damaging things. You could even do like
they do on a dozer for mud runs, have the fan blow air out instead of
suck air in. THey do that to keep stuff from getting sucked in the
front and plugging up core.
-----------------
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SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:15:20 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water everywhere.
>This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in the desert?


I have seen it sling it a lot but not with enough mass to do any
damage. THe beggest danger from water is it drowning out engine not
from water flying off blades damaging things. You could even do like
they do on a dozer for mud runs, have the fan blow air out instead of
suck air in. THey do that to keep stuff from getting sucked in the
front and plugging up core.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:15:20 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>It seems odd that you have never seen a fan sling mud and water everywhere.
>This is a common occurrence in the mid-west. Do you live in the desert?


I have seen it sling it a lot but not with enough mass to do any
damage. THe beggest danger from water is it drowning out engine not
from water flying off blades damaging things. You could even do like
they do on a dozer for mud runs, have the fan blow air out instead of
suck air in. THey do that to keep stuff from getting sucked in the
front and plugging up core.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:58 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water


THe fan does not get sucked into it. Eaither the radiator moves toward
it on impact of engine shifts forward but even then if you did not
have a shoe horn fit with 1 inch or less fan clearance it would not
happen. If you have 3 to 6 inches of clearance or more in there it
will never happen unless you break something. Low engine driven fan
to radiator clearance on a off road machine is not a wise setup in my
book.
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SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:58 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water


THe fan does not get sucked into it. Eaither the radiator moves toward
it on impact of engine shifts forward but even then if you did not
have a shoe horn fit with 1 inch or less fan clearance it would not
happen. If you have 3 to 6 inches of clearance or more in there it
will never happen unless you break something. Low engine driven fan
to radiator clearance on a off road machine is not a wise setup in my
book.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:58 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>I have seen fans get sucked into the rad when under water


THe fan does not get sucked into it. Eaither the radiator moves toward
it on impact of engine shifts forward but even then if you did not
have a shoe horn fit with 1 inch or less fan clearance it would not
happen. If you have 3 to 6 inches of clearance or more in there it
will never happen unless you break something. Low engine driven fan
to radiator clearance on a off road machine is not a wise setup in my
book.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com