JeePenn

I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
please. Thanks in advance.

mic canic

the factory wiring is not made to handle the big kc lites since they consume dam
near 40 amps so i would get some nice lifetime warranteed piaa's

JeePenn wrote:

> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

mic canic

the factory wiring is not made to handle the big kc lites since they consume dam
near 40 amps so i would get some nice lifetime warranteed piaa's

JeePenn wrote:

> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

mic canic

the factory wiring is not made to handle the big kc lites since they consume dam
near 40 amps so i would get some nice lifetime warranteed piaa's

JeePenn wrote:

> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

Simon Juncal

JeePenn wrote:
> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
lens gets taken out by gravel.

The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
and ---- starts getting expensive.

Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
<cough>

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

JeePenn wrote:
> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
lens gets taken out by gravel.

The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
and ---- starts getting expensive.

Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
<cough>

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

JeePenn wrote:
> I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> please. Thanks in advance.

get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
lens gets taken out by gravel.

The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
and ---- starts getting expensive.

Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
<cough>

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Rich Hampel

For what its worth, in addition to my hellas (rectangular), I have a
secondary constant duty relay that 'couples' the high beam filaments
AND low beams filaments. With the relay switch ON when the high beams
come on the low beams also stay on; when lows are on only the low beams
are on - twice the light output!.
With the switch off I get only high or low. Since the driving lights
are coupled to the low bgeam circuit, I can have all three on -
driving/low/high beams.
With this intense light pattern and driving at high speed I can
actually see the road far in front of me and close to the vehicle.

With this set up you have to be extra careful not to blind oncoming
traffic. It may be illegal, but Ive been doing this for the past 30
yrs. without hassle nor heating/cooking any OEM wiring.
With the addition of the hellas, I can light the 'world' - just enough
to see the Middle Atlantic and New England potholes that show up during
the freeze-thaw cycle each year. Nothing beats the hell out of your
suspension as hitting a huge pothole at 70+ mph ... with my headlight
lighting control system (knock on wood) I can see to avoid these.

(Of course I can win any headlight war - as it seems New Englanders are
especially inconsiderate with high beam headlights. I also run halogen
back-up lights (inserts in the OEM backups) with a relay to light up
the backup lights when some inconsiderate *** is trying to sunburn the
back of my neck or is 'drafting' 3 inches under my spare tire)

In article <4018BCB0.1050107@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerol s.com>,
Simon Juncal <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote:

> JeePenn wrote:
> > I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> > Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> > fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> > have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> > lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> > lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> > please. Thanks in advance.
>
> get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
> Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
> diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
> lens gets taken out by gravel.
>
> The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
> high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
> 100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
> sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
> custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
> and ---- starts getting expensive.
>
> Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
> requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
> you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
> spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
> beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
> <cough>

Rich Hampel

For what its worth, in addition to my hellas (rectangular), I have a
secondary constant duty relay that 'couples' the high beam filaments
AND low beams filaments. With the relay switch ON when the high beams
come on the low beams also stay on; when lows are on only the low beams
are on - twice the light output!.
With the switch off I get only high or low. Since the driving lights
are coupled to the low bgeam circuit, I can have all three on -
driving/low/high beams.
With this intense light pattern and driving at high speed I can
actually see the road far in front of me and close to the vehicle.

With this set up you have to be extra careful not to blind oncoming
traffic. It may be illegal, but Ive been doing this for the past 30
yrs. without hassle nor heating/cooking any OEM wiring.
With the addition of the hellas, I can light the 'world' - just enough
to see the Middle Atlantic and New England potholes that show up during
the freeze-thaw cycle each year. Nothing beats the hell out of your
suspension as hitting a huge pothole at 70+ mph ... with my headlight
lighting control system (knock on wood) I can see to avoid these.

(Of course I can win any headlight war - as it seems New Englanders are
especially inconsiderate with high beam headlights. I also run halogen
back-up lights (inserts in the OEM backups) with a relay to light up
the backup lights when some inconsiderate *** is trying to sunburn the
back of my neck or is 'drafting' 3 inches under my spare tire)

In article <4018BCB0.1050107@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerol s.com>,
Simon Juncal <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote:

> JeePenn wrote:
> > I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> > Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> > fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> > have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> > lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> > lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> > please. Thanks in advance.
>
> get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
> Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
> diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
> lens gets taken out by gravel.
>
> The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
> high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
> 100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
> sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
> custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
> and ---- starts getting expensive.
>
> Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
> requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
> you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
> spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
> beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
> <cough>

Rich Hampel

For what its worth, in addition to my hellas (rectangular), I have a
secondary constant duty relay that 'couples' the high beam filaments
AND low beams filaments. With the relay switch ON when the high beams
come on the low beams also stay on; when lows are on only the low beams
are on - twice the light output!.
With the switch off I get only high or low. Since the driving lights
are coupled to the low bgeam circuit, I can have all three on -
driving/low/high beams.
With this intense light pattern and driving at high speed I can
actually see the road far in front of me and close to the vehicle.

With this set up you have to be extra careful not to blind oncoming
traffic. It may be illegal, but Ive been doing this for the past 30
yrs. without hassle nor heating/cooking any OEM wiring.
With the addition of the hellas, I can light the 'world' - just enough
to see the Middle Atlantic and New England potholes that show up during
the freeze-thaw cycle each year. Nothing beats the hell out of your
suspension as hitting a huge pothole at 70+ mph ... with my headlight
lighting control system (knock on wood) I can see to avoid these.

(Of course I can win any headlight war - as it seems New Englanders are
especially inconsiderate with high beam headlights. I also run halogen
back-up lights (inserts in the OEM backups) with a relay to light up
the backup lights when some inconsiderate *** is trying to sunburn the
back of my neck or is 'drafting' 3 inches under my spare tire)

In article <4018BCB0.1050107@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerol s.com>,
Simon Juncal <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote:

> JeePenn wrote:
> > I have just replaced my 2000 Wrangler original stock bumper with a Warn Rock
> > Crawler Bumper and I see this as an opportunity to also upgrade the stock
> > fog lights. I am looking for some suggestions. From the homework that I
> > have done, I have discovered that there are many brands and prices for fog
> > lights. I am looking to use my existing wiring and I primarily use my fog
> > lights for additional lighting when trail riding at night. Your advice
> > please. Thanks in advance.
>
> get some cheap "driving" lights, basically the same as fog lights (55w
> Halogen) but they throw way out in a trapezoid pattern instead of the
> diffuse short fog light pattern. Cheap means they can be replaced when a
> lens gets taken out by gravel.
>
> The $19.99 "Rally" driving lights I have get out a good 30 yards past my
> high beams. I went for cheap because I've thrown more than a few 80 to
> 100 dollar a pair Hella and KC fog lights in the trash because they wont
> sell replacement lenses, even a friend who runs a large autobody and
> custom paint shop couldn't get replacements. You crack a few of those
> and ---- starts getting expensive.
>
> Best part about them is they're not off-road lights so they there's no
> requirement to cover them, and they look just like fog lights. Of course
> you don't want to leave them on while passing someone, they're basically
> spot high beams. People will go apeshit flashing you with their high
> beams if you forget to turn them off... not that I've ever done that
> <cough>