jfc

Here is a good test :
Go to the dealer of your choice,pick out their "off -road SUV" tell the
salesperson you want to buy it but would like to test drive it off-road on a
hard trail and ask if they would like to go along. Mortified saleperson
look.............priceless.However ,if your lucky maybe you'll get to take a
rubicon for a ride!!

Jeeps are still the best stock 4 wheel vehicle ( I don't consider Liberty to
be a Jeep)

Big Daddy

Just Taylor wrote:

> Most Land Rover dealerships have a "off-road" to impress the yuppies
> that will never take their Rover's off-road, however I at least give
> Land Rover credit for creating the little course, lame or not so people
> get to do more than just take the SUV's for a 1 mile drive around the
> block.

I saw on TV where a Hummer dealer went over the top with that stuff. He
actually had some difficult obstacles to teach them. It was a huge
dealership. Pretty impressive. If I had a local Jeep dealership that did
that, I'd buy from them just to support their effort, so long as they got
to my terms.

Grumman-581

"Just Taylor" wrote ...
> Will a Chevy dealer let you take a Corvette out to the track for a test
> drive?

When I was buying a Porsche a few years back, the dealership allowed me to
test drive it... Very curvy road near the dealership... Over 100 mph in the
straightaways... High G turns... Was looking for a 928 with a 5-speed, but
couldn't find one... Test drove 911s, 928s (autos), and 944s... Ended up
with a 944 Turbo...

Just Taylor

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:47:07 GMT, "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote:

>"Just Taylor" wrote ...
>> Will a Chevy dealer let you take a Corvette out to the track for a test
>> drive?
>
>When I was buying a Porsche a few years back, the dealership allowed me to
>test drive it... Very curvy road near the dealership... Over 100 mph in the
>straightaways... High G turns... Was looking for a 928 with a 5-speed, but
>couldn't find one... Test drove 911s, 928s (autos), and 944s... Ended up
>with a 944 Turbo...

Well I kinda put my foot in my mouth on the Corvette one... GM is doing
a "Auto Show in Motion" (www.autoshowinmotion.com) that I went to
yesterday. You could test drive a Corvette on the test track.... No
real race track but a straight away that will let you get it to 80mph if
you are fast enough and a few corner (some spun out.)

I guess my point was most dealers don't really let you do any thing more
than go for a mile or two test drive...


--
Taylor

'89 Audi 200
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

Lon Stowell

Approximately 8/17/03 01:47, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:

> "Just Taylor" wrote ...
>> Will a Chevy dealer let you take a Corvette out to the track for a test
>> drive?
>
> When I was buying a Porsche a few years back, the dealership allowed me to
> test drive it... Very curvy road near the dealership... Over 100 mph in the
> straightaways... High G turns... Was looking for a 928 with a 5-speed, but
> couldn't find one... Test drove 911s, 928s (autos), and 944s... Ended up
> with a 944 Turbo...
>
>
Seems fairly common for the dealers interested in long term
business. When I tested my Porsche, the salesman knew of an
area of freeway still not open to traffic and suggested I take
it on a full tour of the ramps at speed.

jfc

I am amazed that the other dealers let you have a new vehicle for 24
hours.I wonder if a different Jeep salesman or dealership would have let
you do the same.
I have been wondering if I would like a wrangler as my full time vehicle
also.I have a 1987 just for fun now but won't take the kids account of lack
of shoulder belts in
the back seat.We also have a 99 Grand Cherokee that is excellent to drive
any weather or distance.
"Steve Moline" <smoline@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BB658D53.B8F%smoline@earthlink.net...
> I've been a Jeep owners for many years (95 Grand Cherokee) and have always
> wanted to add a Wrangler to the stable. I'd love to have one and would buy
a
> Wrangler off the lot except for one thing -- I have a long commute (40
miles
> each way) and wanted to have a long test drive to see if a Wrangler would
be
> okay for the long drive. Couldn't really decide whether to buy a Wrangler
or
> some other small 4x4, so we thought we'd let the dealer help make the
> decision. Went to the Ford store, they let us use a new Explorer
Sport-Trac
> for 24 hours. Went to the Chevrolet store, they let us use a new pickup
for
> 24 hours. Went to the Cadillac store, they let us use a new Escalade for
24
> hours. Went to the Toyota store . . . well, you get the idea. Went to the
> Jeep store where I have been a loyal customer for over 8 years and the
> salesperson literally said, "You think I'm going to let you take a brand
new
> Wrangler for a 40-mile test drive?!?! Buddy, that AIN'T gonna happen. You
> can drive it a mile or two up and down the highway to see how you like it
at
> highway cruising speed, and that's it." I couldnąt determine whether it
was
> the actual rejection of a reasonable idea (that I had validated at other
> dealers' lots) or the attitude of this person, but I sure think I won't be
> buying any Wrangler in the foreseeable future.
>
>
> On 8/17/03 12:09 PM, in article 3f41a7bc.1186796@wilhelp.com, "Just
Taylor"
> <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:47:07 GMT, "Grumman-581"
> > <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Just Taylor" wrote ...
> >>> Will a Chevy dealer let you take a Corvette out to the track for a
test
> >>> drive?
> >>
> >> When I was buying a Porsche a few years back, the dealership allowed me
to
> >> test drive it... Very curvy road near the dealership... Over 100 mph in
the
> >> straightaways... High G turns... Was looking for a 928 with a 5-speed,
but
> >> couldn't find one... Test drove 911s, 928s (autos), and 944s... Ended
up
> >> with a 944 Turbo...
> >
> > Well I kinda put my foot in my mouth on the Corvette one... GM is doing
> > a "Auto Show in Motion" (www.autoshowinmotion.com) that I went to
> > yesterday. You could test drive a Corvette on the test track.... No
> > real race track but a straight away that will let you get it to 80mph if
> > you are fast enough and a few corner (some spun out.)
> >
> > I guess my point was most dealers don't really let you do any thing more
> > than go for a mile or two test drive...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Taylor
> >
> > '89 Audi 200
> > '03 Audi S6 Avant
> > '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport
>

Nathan W. Collier

"jfc" <jfc@buffnet.net> wrote in message
news:3f403441_1@news3.buffnet.net...
> I am amazed that the other dealers let you have a new vehicle for 24
> hours.

ive had many dealers let me keep vehicles over night. in fact, crown dodge
let me take a vehicle on saturday and asked that i have it back when they
open monday, and to "please call" if i would be later than lunch time. they
were so nice about it i almost felt bad about not buying from them.

almost.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Lon Stowell

Approximately 8/17/03 19:05, jfc uttered for posterity:
> I am amazed that the other dealers let you have a new vehicle for 24
> hours.I wonder if a different Jeep salesman or dealership would have let
> you do the same.

Overnight test drives have become pretty common lately. Claim is that
they work almost as well as discounts, or at least allow a sale with
a smaller discount.

I think I'd have a chat with the highest management in the dealership
about competition being smarter than they are. Wouldn't surprise me
tho, as when the missus bought a used GC, the Jeep dealer refused to
even consider matching the prices on similar models to the Ford dealer
two doors down...one month after 9/11 yet. And couldn't understand
why all his salestypes were drinking coffee and the Ford ones were
signing deals and cashing paychecks.

I'd like to have a SWB Jeep, but the only mountains close enough to
play in are a bit on the steep side and have too many redwoods, and
driving 6 to 24 hours to my play areas in an SWB isn't as interesting
as it might have been 30-40 years ago. The GC is the best compromise
I could find....although I have been wondering if I could tie down
a small ATV in the back end [brain younger than body syndrome].

Big Daddy

Lon Stowell wrote:

> I think I'd have a chat with the highest management in the dealership
> about competition being smarter than they are. Wouldn't surprise me
> tho, as when the missus bought a used GC, the Jeep dealer refused to
> even consider matching the prices on similar models to the Ford dealer
> two doors down...one month after 9/11 yet. And couldn't understand
> why all his salestypes were drinking coffee and the Ford ones were
> signing deals and cashing paychecks.

Apparently they couldn't. Jeep incentives are different than Ford. There is
only so much money to play with.

Not being an insider of the auto sales industry, you probably don't
understand, but there are reasons for what happened to you other than your
impression that they just didn't want to match the prices at the Ford
dealership. It's not that they didn't want to, you know.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 8/17/03 20:11, Big Daddy uttered for posterity:

> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
>> I think I'd have a chat with the highest management in the dealership
>> about competition being smarter than they are. Wouldn't surprise me
>> tho, as when the missus bought a used GC, the Jeep dealer refused to
>> even consider matching the prices on similar models to the Ford dealer
>> two doors down...one month after 9/11 yet. And couldn't understand
>> why all his salestypes were drinking coffee and the Ford ones were
>> signing deals and cashing paychecks.
>
> Apparently they couldn't. Jeep incentives are different than Ford. There is
> only so much money to play with.
>
> Not being an insider of the auto sales industry, you probably don't
> understand, but there are reasons for what happened to you other than your
> impression that they just didn't want to match the prices at the Ford
> dealership. It's not that they didn't want to, you know.

1. Used vehicles.

2. According to a cousin, the dealer pretty much sets pricing
on used vehicles. Said cousin owns a pretty large dealership
chain. Bummer, Chevvie, worse, no discount.

3. One month after 9/11, there wasn't a lot of cars moving off
*any* lot around here. Partly 9/11, partly dot.compost.