Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shaggie wrote:
>
> I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> explain this to me? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shaggie wrote:
>
> I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> explain this to me? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Shaggie wrote:
>
> I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> explain this to me? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

It is supposed to have a 195 thermostat in it according to my manual so
it runs at 'least' at 195 degrees...

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at 265 or more.

210 sounds right to me. That leaves a pile of room before you get close
to the boil over point.

You also need to note that the thermostats are notoriously not
accurate....

Mike


Shaggie wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
>
> > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> >
> > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > down.
> >
> > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> >
> > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run cooler
> > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> >
> > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The best
> > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> >
> > Mike
>
> What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> What's a good range? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

It is supposed to have a 195 thermostat in it according to my manual so
it runs at 'least' at 195 degrees...

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at 265 or more.

210 sounds right to me. That leaves a pile of room before you get close
to the boil over point.

You also need to note that the thermostats are notoriously not
accurate....

Mike


Shaggie wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
>
> > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> >
> > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > down.
> >
> > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> >
> > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run cooler
> > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> >
> > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The best
> > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> >
> > Mike
>
> What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> What's a good range? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

It is supposed to have a 195 thermostat in it according to my manual so
it runs at 'least' at 195 degrees...

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at 265 or more.

210 sounds right to me. That leaves a pile of room before you get close
to the boil over point.

You also need to note that the thermostats are notoriously not
accurate....

Mike


Shaggie wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
>
> > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> >
> > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > down.
> >
> > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> >
> > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run cooler
> > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> >
> > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The best
> > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> >
> > Mike
>
> What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> What's a good range? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

It is supposed to have a 195 thermostat in it according to my manual so
it runs at 'least' at 195 degrees...

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at 265 or more.

210 sounds right to me. That leaves a pile of room before you get close
to the boil over point.

You also need to note that the thermostats are notoriously not
accurate....

Mike


Shaggie wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
>
> > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> >
> > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > down.
> >
> > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> >
> > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run cooler
> > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> >
> > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The best
> > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> >
> > Mike
>
> What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> What's a good range? Thank you.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

Ya that's because they advance the crap out of the timing and run them
lean and mean.

They also rebuild them every 100 miles or less....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
> sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
> give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
> not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
> expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
> place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
> running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shaggie wrote:
> >
> > I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> > to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> > run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> > bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> > there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> > explain this to me? Thank you.
> >
> > --
> >
> > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

Ya that's because they advance the crap out of the timing and run them
lean and mean.

They also rebuild them every 100 miles or less....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
> sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
> give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
> not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
> expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
> place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
> running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shaggie wrote:
> >
> > I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> > to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> > run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> > bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> > there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> > explain this to me? Thank you.
> >
> > --
> >
> > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > :wq!

Re: followup - good operating temp and thermostat questions
 

Ya that's because they advance the crap out of the timing and run them
lean and mean.

They also rebuild them every 100 miles or less....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The thermostat when open still meters the flow with a specifically
> sized orifice, to about a quarter of the size of the radiator hoses, to
> give coolant going through the radiator enough time to cool. Hot Rodders
> not running engines controlled by the SMOG nazis, want the maximum
> expansion of gases, and will use a metering plate with a 3/4" hole in
> place of a thermostat. For this extra horse power, be warned that
> running 165 degrees or lower will cause excessive cylinder taper wear.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Shaggie wrote:
> >
> > I've heard stories of how some people have tried removing their thermostats
> > to make their engine run cooler and how that actually will make your engine
> > run hotter. I don't understand how that can be if the thermostat has no
> > bearing on operating temperature once the engine is warmed up. I'm sure
> > there's something else there at play that I don't know about. Could you
> > explain this to me? Thank you.
> >
> > --
> >
> > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > :wq!