Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

I will second the 'don't get Accel wires'.

Pieces of crap. The ends all broke off the first time I changed the
plugs. I used dielectric grease under the boots so they came off fine,
the metal clips mostly all stayed on the plugs and then in the
distributor cap when I went to change them.

I went OEM wires from Chrysler with an Accel SuperCoil in 2000 and I
cross water over my hood with the standing water at the bottom of my
headlights with no problems. 42" to the bottom of my headlights, I do
get a wet butt occasionally, but they have never let me down.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> The TFI mod should work for your 304. If I'm not mistaken, that's the same
> basic engine as the 360, isn't it?
> Don't get the Accel wires. They are a PITA to get set up properly, and I've
> heard from several people that they may not last that long. Get the OEM
> ford truck wires. They should work fine. You will also have to mod your
> coil bracket to hold the TFI coil (it's rectangular). You can gap your
> plugs to .040-.045 afterwards, too.
> :-)
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ngrqqv82195rrnjk3v7pppffp6anl2vjmb@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:18:46 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> > shared the following:
> >
> > >Travis,
> > >I don't remember what engine you said you have in your CJ,
> >
> > '76 304 V8. Thanks for the links. :-)
> >
> > but you might
> > >want to look into the TFI upgrade. I installed this on my Grand Wagoneer
> > >with an AMC 360 and it made a world of difference in smooth idle and
> > >application of power. It's a *whole* lot cheaper than the HEI upgrade,
> too.
> > >
> > >http://fsjeep.homestead.com/TFI_Upgade.html
> > >This is mainly for the AMC V8s, but you might find useful information
> here.
> > >
> > >http://www.ifsja.org/tech/electrical...nupgrade.shtml
> > >This is a more general article and has a lot of good information and
> ideas.
> > >This article is referenced in the one above, too.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jim
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travis
> > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

I will second the 'don't get Accel wires'.

Pieces of crap. The ends all broke off the first time I changed the
plugs. I used dielectric grease under the boots so they came off fine,
the metal clips mostly all stayed on the plugs and then in the
distributor cap when I went to change them.

I went OEM wires from Chrysler with an Accel SuperCoil in 2000 and I
cross water over my hood with the standing water at the bottom of my
headlights with no problems. 42" to the bottom of my headlights, I do
get a wet butt occasionally, but they have never let me down.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> The TFI mod should work for your 304. If I'm not mistaken, that's the same
> basic engine as the 360, isn't it?
> Don't get the Accel wires. They are a PITA to get set up properly, and I've
> heard from several people that they may not last that long. Get the OEM
> ford truck wires. They should work fine. You will also have to mod your
> coil bracket to hold the TFI coil (it's rectangular). You can gap your
> plugs to .040-.045 afterwards, too.
> :-)
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
> "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ngrqqv82195rrnjk3v7pppffp6anl2vjmb@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:18:46 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> > shared the following:
> >
> > >Travis,
> > >I don't remember what engine you said you have in your CJ,
> >
> > '76 304 V8. Thanks for the links. :-)
> >
> > but you might
> > >want to look into the TFI upgrade. I installed this on my Grand Wagoneer
> > >with an AMC 360 and it made a world of difference in smooth idle and
> > >application of power. It's a *whole* lot cheaper than the HEI upgrade,
> too.
> > >
> > >http://fsjeep.homestead.com/TFI_Upgade.html
> > >This is mainly for the AMC V8s, but you might find useful information
> here.
> > >
> > >http://www.ifsja.org/tech/electrical...nupgrade.shtml
> > >This is a more general article and has a lot of good information and
> ideas.
> > >This article is referenced in the one above, too.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jim
> >
> >
> > --
> > Travis
> > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> > :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
or do that? The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
alternator.

You can jump the excite or field from the battery feed to just have the
alternator on, period. That can get you out of trouble sometimes. You
need a load to help not over charge the battery so lights and heater fan
on. Better over charge a battery and have to add some water than being
stuck way back in the middle of nowhere.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

travis wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:53:20 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> shared the following:
>
> > I would have believed them, it's a simple test, just charge the
> >field and you get fourteen volts. You were probably standing right
> >beside them to watch their meters.
>
> I was right there and saw their meter read a tiny bit over 10 volts,
> but I wasn't really paying close enough attention. I'm just glad the
> Jeep is running right again. I'm gonna take it offroad tomorrow and
> try to get stuck so I can try out my winch. :-D
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
or do that? The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
alternator.

You can jump the excite or field from the battery feed to just have the
alternator on, period. That can get you out of trouble sometimes. You
need a load to help not over charge the battery so lights and heater fan
on. Better over charge a battery and have to add some water than being
stuck way back in the middle of nowhere.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

travis wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:53:20 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> shared the following:
>
> > I would have believed them, it's a simple test, just charge the
> >field and you get fourteen volts. You were probably standing right
> >beside them to watch their meters.
>
> I was right there and saw their meter read a tiny bit over 10 volts,
> but I wasn't really paying close enough attention. I'm just glad the
> Jeep is running right again. I'm gonna take it offroad tomorrow and
> try to get stuck so I can try out my winch. :-D
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
or do that? The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
alternator.

You can jump the excite or field from the battery feed to just have the
alternator on, period. That can get you out of trouble sometimes. You
need a load to help not over charge the battery so lights and heater fan
on. Better over charge a battery and have to add some water than being
stuck way back in the middle of nowhere.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

travis wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:53:20 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> shared the following:
>
> > I would have believed them, it's a simple test, just charge the
> >field and you get fourteen volts. You were probably standing right
> >beside them to watch their meters.
>
> I was right there and saw their meter read a tiny bit over 10 volts,
> but I wasn't really paying close enough attention. I'm just glad the
> Jeep is running right again. I'm gonna take it offroad tomorrow and
> try to get stuck so I can try out my winch. :-D
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
>or do that?

I dunno, dude. I didn't quiz him on the procedure before he did it.
I admitted my first mistake was believing them when they said my
alternator was bad. ;-)

> The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
>regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
>alternator.

Then that's probably what happened. I wish I'd gotten this free
advice earlier. Hey, I got what I paid for, right? :-) Thanks for
the information, seriously. I hope to not make the same mis-diagnosis
in the future. I woke up at 4:28am this morning so I'm going to bed
soon which means I'll be heading for the trails at about the time the
sun comes up tomorrow. Good night, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
>or do that?

I dunno, dude. I didn't quiz him on the procedure before he did it.
I admitted my first mistake was believing them when they said my
alternator was bad. ;-)

> The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
>regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
>alternator.

Then that's probably what happened. I wish I'd gotten this free
advice earlier. Hey, I got what I paid for, right? :-) Thanks for
the information, seriously. I hope to not make the same mis-diagnosis
in the future. I woke up at 4:28am this morning so I'm going to bed
soon which means I'll be heading for the trails at about the time the
sun comes up tomorrow. Good night, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:

>The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
>or do that?

I dunno, dude. I didn't quiz him on the procedure before he did it.
I admitted my first mistake was believing them when they said my
alternator was bad. ;-)

> The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
>regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
>alternator.

Then that's probably what happened. I wish I'd gotten this free
advice earlier. Hey, I got what I paid for, right? :-) Thanks for
the information, seriously. I hope to not make the same mis-diagnosis
in the future. I woke up at 4:28am this morning so I'm going to bed
soon which means I'll be heading for the trails at about the time the
sun comes up tomorrow. Good night, y'all.



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

It's sometimes hard to determine whether it's the regulator or the
alternator unless you know the tricks. My rule of thumb has always been to
replace the cheapest part first: the regulator. If that doesn't do it, then
replace the alternator. It won't hurt to have a new regulator in that case
anyway. :-)

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n88rqvkr0u5hefa02akdb9uhhdac322vvs@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
> >The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
> >or do that?
>
> I dunno, dude. I didn't quiz him on the procedure before he did it.
> I admitted my first mistake was believing them when they said my
> alternator was bad. ;-)
>
> > The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
> >regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
> >alternator.
>
> Then that's probably what happened. I wish I'd gotten this free
> advice earlier. Hey, I got what I paid for, right? :-) Thanks for
> the information, seriously. I hope to not make the same mis-diagnosis
> in the future. I woke up at 4:28am this morning so I'm going to bed
> soon which means I'll be heading for the trails at about the time the
> sun comes up tomorrow. Good night, y'all.
>
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Electrical woes continue. Help? FIXED!!!
 

It's sometimes hard to determine whether it's the regulator or the
alternator unless you know the tricks. My rule of thumb has always been to
replace the cheapest part first: the regulator. If that doesn't do it, then
replace the alternator. It won't hurt to have a new regulator in that case
anyway. :-)

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n88rqvkr0u5hefa02akdb9uhhdac322vvs@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:31:33 -0500, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following:
>
> >The guy had to hook a jumper wire to do the test right. Did he know how
> >or do that?
>
> I dunno, dude. I didn't quiz him on the procedure before he did it.
> I admitted my first mistake was believing them when they said my
> alternator was bad. ;-)
>
> > The excite to turn on the alternator comes from the
> >regulator so a dead regulator will show battery voltage at the
> >alternator.
>
> Then that's probably what happened. I wish I'd gotten this free
> advice earlier. Hey, I got what I paid for, right? :-) Thanks for
> the information, seriously. I hope to not make the same mis-diagnosis
> in the future. I woke up at 4:28am this morning so I'm going to bed
> soon which means I'll be heading for the trails at about the time the
> sun comes up tomorrow. Good night, y'all.
>
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!