Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

jerryg wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>> On Jul 21, 8:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>>>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>>>>>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>>>>>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>>>>>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>>>>>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>>>>>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>> Yes, it could be worn out.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>>> Greg
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>>
>> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.
>
> Thanks alot.
> Greg
>

You can always just unplug the switch to make sure it isn't shorting.

And 'if' the plug got hot enough to melt, 100% for sure the switch is
damaged. Your symptoms prove that.

Mike

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

jerryg wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>> On Jul 21, 8:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>>>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>>>>>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>>>>>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>>>>>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>>>>>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>>>>>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>> Yes, it could be worn out.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>>> Greg
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>>
>> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.
>
> Thanks alot.
> Greg
>

You can always just unplug the switch to make sure it isn't shorting.

And 'if' the plug got hot enough to melt, 100% for sure the switch is
damaged. Your symptoms prove that.

Mike

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

jerryg wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>> On Jul 21, 8:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>> jerryg wrote:
>>>>>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>>>>>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>>>>>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>>>>>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>>>>>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>>>>>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>> Yes, it could be worn out.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>>> Greg
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>>
>> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.
>
> Thanks alot.
> Greg
>

You can always just unplug the switch to make sure it isn't shorting.

And 'if' the plug got hot enough to melt, 100% for sure the switch is
damaged. Your symptoms prove that.

Mike

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 21, 6:32 pm, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>
> When I turn the head lights on, the dome goes off, when I turn off the
> head lights, the dome goes on. Bad switch?

Could be, judging from later posts. But I'll bet your domes aren't going
all the way out when you turn on the headlights, they just get dimmer
because amperage is going to the relatively lower resistance path through
the headlamps.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 21, 6:32 pm, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>
> When I turn the head lights on, the dome goes off, when I turn off the
> head lights, the dome goes on. Bad switch?

Could be, judging from later posts. But I'll bet your domes aren't going
all the way out when you turn on the headlights, they just get dimmer
because amperage is going to the relatively lower resistance path through
the headlamps.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 21, 6:32 pm, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>
> When I turn the head lights on, the dome goes off, when I turn off the
> head lights, the dome goes on. Bad switch?

Could be, judging from later posts. But I'll bet your domes aren't going
all the way out when you turn on the headlights, they just get dimmer
because amperage is going to the relatively lower resistance path through
the headlamps.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 21, 6:32 pm, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> What could be draining my battery when the vehicle is not running? I
>> noticed the dome stays on constantly. I can jump start it and it runs.
>> But last night when I turned off the engine, then shut the headlights
>> off, the head lights started to come back on, but very dimly. I know
>> it sounds like a ghost story, but could a bad head light switch be my
>> culprit. By the way, it is an 86 XJ.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>
> When I turn the head lights on, the dome goes off, when I turn off the
> head lights, the dome goes on. Bad switch?

Could be, judging from later posts. But I'll bet your domes aren't going
all the way out when you turn on the headlights, they just get dimmer
because amperage is going to the relatively lower resistance path through
the headlamps.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.

Be thorough and test it both ways before you spend the money. Jump it
with the switch in place and with it disconnected and see if it stalls
both ways. If you start repairing things and it doesn't work right you
won't know if it is being caused by a faulty replacement part
(bad-out-of-the-box happens way more frequently than it should), something
wrong with your repair work or some other problem.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.

Be thorough and test it both ways before you spend the money. Jump it
with the switch in place and with it disconnected and see if it stalls
both ways. If you start repairing things and it doesn't work right you
won't know if it is being caused by a faulty replacement part
(bad-out-of-the-box happens way more frequently than it should), something
wrong with your repair work or some other problem.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.

Re: Electrical problem no. 2
 

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, jerryg wrote:

> On Jul 22, 10:03 am, jerryg <Greggi...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 9:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>>> I pulled the switch out and realized the plastic plug that interfaces
>>>> with the switch at some point melted. So I put it back together, and
>>>> had to jump start the Jeep. It started, but when I removed the Jumper
>>>> cables from the battery, the engine immediately quit. Why would it do
>>>> that?
>>
>>> Well you have located your problem. The switch must also be just as
>>> melted as the plug.
>>
>>> I have cut those plugs apart and put individual new spade connectors
>>> onto the wires to mate up with the new switch. Either that or a junk
>>> yard crawl is in order looking for a new harness pigtail.
>>
>>> If your battery is 'really' low, the engine computer shuts off.
>>
>>> Continual draining of an older battery can actually kill it.
>>
>> The switch is not melted at all. My question is, why when I put it
>> back in, jump started the vehicle it started. When I removed the
>> jumper cable, the engine stalled.
>
> Well it must be the battery is shot. It starts fine with a jump. I
> thought it was the switch somehow.

Be thorough and test it both ways before you spend the money. Jump it
with the switch in place and with it disconnected and see if it stalls
both ways. If you start repairing things and it doesn't work right you
won't know if it is being caused by a faulty replacement part
(bad-out-of-the-box happens way more frequently than it should), something
wrong with your repair work or some other problem.



--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.