electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

I have a ground or something screwed up.

When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
break lights.

But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
but they still come on when the break is presses.

Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
hand-signals.


Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
off . . . but not now, After Duck Season

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Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

The brake lights use the bolts of the light fixtures for ground.

The running lights use a wire tagged to the body for ground.

If either lose their grounds or a bulb breaks the right way, these
systems can interfere with each other by either stealing a ground and/or
lighting up the other bulbs.

The only thing in common between the signals and brakes as far as I know
is the signal switch itself.

I think I would unplug the harness at the bottom of the steering column
to eliminate the signal switch and see if the brakes work right.

If it still messes up, then I would be looking for a short circuit or
crossed wires. If I had a trailer light plug, I would start there.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

The brake lights use the bolts of the light fixtures for ground.

The running lights use a wire tagged to the body for ground.

If either lose their grounds or a bulb breaks the right way, these
systems can interfere with each other by either stealing a ground and/or
lighting up the other bulbs.

The only thing in common between the signals and brakes as far as I know
is the signal switch itself.

I think I would unplug the harness at the bottom of the steering column
to eliminate the signal switch and see if the brakes work right.

If it still messes up, then I would be looking for a short circuit or
crossed wires. If I had a trailer light plug, I would start there.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

The brake lights use the bolts of the light fixtures for ground.

The running lights use a wire tagged to the body for ground.

If either lose their grounds or a bulb breaks the right way, these
systems can interfere with each other by either stealing a ground and/or
lighting up the other bulbs.

The only thing in common between the signals and brakes as far as I know
is the signal switch itself.

I think I would unplug the harness at the bottom of the steering column
to eliminate the signal switch and see if the brakes work right.

If it still messes up, then I would be looking for a short circuit or
crossed wires. If I had a trailer light plug, I would start there.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Hi Evan,
Your problem is within the turn signal switch, it must be badly
melted from a very bad short, to have made so many connections. Normally
the power from the stop light switch travels to the turn signal system
to be directed to the tail lights individually so one may be turned off
during a signal to turn in that direction. Follow the harness back along
the frame I think you'll find where it's shorted, maybe laying on the
exhaust pipe. Or maybe the trailer socket is smashed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Hi Evan,
Your problem is within the turn signal switch, it must be badly
melted from a very bad short, to have made so many connections. Normally
the power from the stop light switch travels to the turn signal system
to be directed to the tail lights individually so one may be turned off
during a signal to turn in that direction. Follow the harness back along
the frame I think you'll find where it's shorted, maybe laying on the
exhaust pipe. Or maybe the trailer socket is smashed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Hi Evan,
Your problem is within the turn signal switch, it must be badly
melted from a very bad short, to have made so many connections. Normally
the power from the stop light switch travels to the turn signal system
to be directed to the tail lights individually so one may be turned off
during a signal to turn in that direction. Follow the harness back along
the frame I think you'll find where it's shorted, maybe laying on the
exhaust pipe. Or maybe the trailer socket is smashed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Evan wrote:
>
> I have a ground or something screwed up.
>
> When I press the breaks, the blinkers light up, both on the dash, as well as
> front and rear lights (both left and right). it doses not flash, but is
> constant with the break, just like as if they were hooked up directly to the
> break lights.
>
> But the flashers don't work, I replaced the flasher relay, and still no flash,
> but they still come on when the break is presses.
>
> Honestly kind of handy in the garage, the front flashers light the way as I
> slow to a stop, but I need my flashers back, my arm is tiered form
> hand-signals.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction; I think a total re-wiring is not far
> off . . . but not now, After Duck Season
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Strangest thing, I was in the process of fallowed Mikes advise, had both
flasher and tail light fuses out, put them back in, and it started clicking
(key out), messed with the hazard switch, and it all works right now, , , I
have never once, used the hazard on this thing, no do I understand why it could
be linked to the break?

Damdest thing, , , I messed with the relays 10 times before I posted, Thanks
any way . . . Like I said, a rewire probably cant wait to much longer




83 CJ 8, a work in progress
http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Strangest thing, I was in the process of fallowed Mikes advise, had both
flasher and tail light fuses out, put them back in, and it started clicking
(key out), messed with the hazard switch, and it all works right now, , , I
have never once, used the hazard on this thing, no do I understand why it could
be linked to the break?

Damdest thing, , , I messed with the relays 10 times before I posted, Thanks
any way . . . Like I said, a rewire probably cant wait to much longer




83 CJ 8, a work in progress
http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Re: electrical -- flasher and break lights - hooked together
 

Strangest thing, I was in the process of fallowed Mikes advise, had both
flasher and tail light fuses out, put them back in, and it started clicking
(key out), messed with the hazard switch, and it all works right now, , , I
have never once, used the hazard on this thing, no do I understand why it could
be linked to the break?

Damdest thing, , , I messed with the relays 10 times before I posted, Thanks
any way . . . Like I said, a rewire probably cant wait to much longer




83 CJ 8, a work in progress
http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me