Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
> can vouch for that.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> > And as a follow-up.
> >
> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >
> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >
> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >
> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >
> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> > possible.
> >
> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> > bucks?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >>
> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >
> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> > >
> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >
> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >
> >> > However, you said:
> >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >
> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
> >> > where the
> >> > regulator is.
> >> >
> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >
> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
> >> > that's
> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >
> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >
> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> > tantrum about
> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
> >> > I was
> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >
> >> > > If you can't
> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >
> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> > constructive,
> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
> >> > an *** in
> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
> >> > unknown.
> >> >
> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
> >> > it again
> >> > here.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Mike
> >> > >
> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> > >> >computer
> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
> >> > >> doing
> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> > >> still in the
> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
> >> > >> WAY more
> >> > >> reliable.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Mike
> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
engine but that's it. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
>> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
>> and
>> can vouch for that.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
>> > And as a follow-up.
>> >
>> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
>> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>> >
>> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>> >
>> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
>> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
>> >
>> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
>> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
>> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>> >
>> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
>> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
>> > possible.
>> >
>> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
>> > a
>> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
>> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
>> > bucks?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
>> >> of
>> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>> >>
>> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
>> >> the
>> >> computer.
>> >>
>> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> bllsht wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >> >
>> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is in the computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, you said:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> >
>> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
>> >> > matter
>> >> > where the
>> >> > regulator is.
>> >> >
>> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >> >
>> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
>> >> > but
>> >> > that's
>> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >> >
>> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> >> > tantrum about
>> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
>> >> > OP.
>> >> > I was
>> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you can't
>> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
>> >> > >***
>> >> > >you are with every post?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> >> > constructive,
>> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
>> >> > like
>> >> > an *** in
>> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
>> >> > the
>> >> > unknown.
>> >> >
>> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
>> >> > type
>> >> > it again
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Mike
>> >> > >
>> >> > >bllsht wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> >> > >> >computer
>> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
>> >> > >> time
>> >> > >> doing
>> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> >> > >> still in the
>> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
>> >> > >> they're
>> >> > >> WAY more
>> >> > >> reliable.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Mike
>> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >shell wrote:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
engine but that's it. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
>> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
>> and
>> can vouch for that.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
>> > And as a follow-up.
>> >
>> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
>> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>> >
>> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>> >
>> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
>> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
>> >
>> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
>> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
>> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>> >
>> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
>> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
>> > possible.
>> >
>> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
>> > a
>> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
>> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
>> > bucks?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
>> >> of
>> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>> >>
>> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
>> >> the
>> >> computer.
>> >>
>> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> bllsht wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >> >
>> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is in the computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, you said:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> >
>> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
>> >> > matter
>> >> > where the
>> >> > regulator is.
>> >> >
>> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >> >
>> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
>> >> > but
>> >> > that's
>> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >> >
>> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> >> > tantrum about
>> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
>> >> > OP.
>> >> > I was
>> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you can't
>> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
>> >> > >***
>> >> > >you are with every post?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> >> > constructive,
>> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
>> >> > like
>> >> > an *** in
>> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
>> >> > the
>> >> > unknown.
>> >> >
>> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
>> >> > type
>> >> > it again
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Mike
>> >> > >
>> >> > >bllsht wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> >> > >> >computer
>> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
>> >> > >> time
>> >> > >> doing
>> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> >> > >> still in the
>> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
>> >> > >> they're
>> >> > >> WAY more
>> >> > >> reliable.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Mike
>> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >shell wrote:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
engine but that's it. :)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
>> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
>> and
>> can vouch for that.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
>> > And as a follow-up.
>> >
>> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
>> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>> >
>> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>> >
>> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
>> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
>> >
>> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
>> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
>> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>> >
>> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
>> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
>> > possible.
>> >
>> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
>> > a
>> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
>> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
>> > bucks?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
>> >> of
>> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>> >>
>> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
>> >> the
>> >> computer.
>> >>
>> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> bllsht wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >> >
>> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is in the computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, you said:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> >
>> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
>> >> > matter
>> >> > where the
>> >> > regulator is.
>> >> >
>> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >> >
>> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
>> >> > but
>> >> > that's
>> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >> >
>> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> >> > tantrum about
>> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
>> >> > OP.
>> >> > I was
>> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you can't
>> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
>> >> > >***
>> >> > >you are with every post?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> >> > constructive,
>> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
>> >> > like
>> >> > an *** in
>> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
>> >> > the
>> >> > unknown.
>> >> >
>> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
>> >> > type
>> >> > it again
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Mike
>> >> > >
>> >> > >bllsht wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> >> > >> >computer
>> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
>> >> > >> time
>> >> > >> doing
>> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> >> > >> still in the
>> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
>> >> > >> they're
>> >> > >> WAY more
>> >> > >> reliable.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Mike
>> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >shell wrote:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

Thanks, I had it figured it would have to be pretty close to start.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
> engine but that's it. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> > Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> > programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> >> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
> >> and
> >> can vouch for that.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> >> > And as a follow-up.
> >> >
> >> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> >> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >> >
> >> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >> >
> >> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> >> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >> >
> >> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> >> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> >> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >> >
> >> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> >> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> >> > possible.
> >> >
> >> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
> >> > a
> >> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> >> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> >> > bucks?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
> >> >> of
> >> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
> >> >> the
> >> >> computer.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > However, you said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
> >> >> > matter
> >> >> > where the
> >> >> > regulator is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> >> > tantrum about
> >> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
> >> >> > OP.
> >> >> > I was
> >> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > If you can't
> >> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
> >> >> > >***
> >> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> >> > constructive,
> >> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > an *** in
> >> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > unknown.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
> >> >> > type
> >> >> > it again
> >> >> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Mike
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> >> > >> >computer
> >> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
> >> >> > >> time
> >> >> > >> doing
> >> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> >> > >> still in the
> >> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
> >> >> > >> they're
> >> >> > >> WAY more
> >> >> > >> reliable.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Mike
> >> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

Thanks, I had it figured it would have to be pretty close to start.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
> engine but that's it. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> > Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> > programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> >> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
> >> and
> >> can vouch for that.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> >> > And as a follow-up.
> >> >
> >> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> >> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >> >
> >> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >> >
> >> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> >> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >> >
> >> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> >> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> >> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >> >
> >> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> >> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> >> > possible.
> >> >
> >> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
> >> > a
> >> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> >> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> >> > bucks?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
> >> >> of
> >> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
> >> >> the
> >> >> computer.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > However, you said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
> >> >> > matter
> >> >> > where the
> >> >> > regulator is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> >> > tantrum about
> >> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
> >> >> > OP.
> >> >> > I was
> >> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > If you can't
> >> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
> >> >> > >***
> >> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> >> > constructive,
> >> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > an *** in
> >> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > unknown.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
> >> >> > type
> >> >> > it again
> >> >> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Mike
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> >> > >> >computer
> >> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
> >> >> > >> time
> >> >> > >> doing
> >> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> >> > >> still in the
> >> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
> >> >> > >> they're
> >> >> > >> WAY more
> >> >> > >> reliable.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Mike
> >> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

Thanks, I had it figured it would have to be pretty close to start.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> It teaches itself so long as the ECM is for the same model year, tranny, and
> engine but that's it. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140EC4D.99C63851@sympatico.ca...
> > Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
> > programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> >> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before
> >> and
> >> can vouch for that.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> >> > And as a follow-up.
> >> >
> >> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> >> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >> >
> >> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >> >
> >> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> >> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >> >
> >> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> >> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> >> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >> >
> >> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> >> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> >> > possible.
> >> >
> >> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put
> >> > a
> >> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> >> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> >> > bucks?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set
> >> >> of
> >> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change
> >> >> the
> >> >> computer.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > However, you said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no
> >> >> > matter
> >> >> > where the
> >> >> > regulator is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> >> > tantrum about
> >> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the
> >> >> > OP.
> >> >> > I was
> >> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > If you can't
> >> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an
> >> >> > >***
> >> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> >> > constructive,
> >> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > an *** in
> >> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > unknown.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna
> >> >> > type
> >> >> > it again
> >> >> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Mike
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain"
> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> >> > >> >computer
> >> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more
> >> >> > >> time
> >> >> > >> doing
> >> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> >> > >> still in the
> >> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND
> >> >> > >> they're
> >> >> > >> WAY more
> >> >> > >> reliable.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >Mike
> >> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> >> > >> >> pegs.

 

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mailto:--------------------
shell wrote:
>
> hi, i have a 98 cherokee sport.
> my problem is that the voltage gauge keeps pegging all the way to 19, i
> had my alternater tested and it's good. i checked all my connections,
> they're all good. my battery is brand new.
> anyone know what's wrong with it?
> thanks

 

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mailto:--------------------
shell wrote:
>
> hi, i have a 98 cherokee sport.
> my problem is that the voltage gauge keeps pegging all the way to 19, i
> had my alternater tested and it's good. i checked all my connections,
> they're all good. my battery is brand new.
> anyone know what's wrong with it?
> thanks

 

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mailto:--------------------
shell wrote:
>
> hi, i have a 98 cherokee sport.
> my problem is that the voltage gauge keeps pegging all the way to 19, i
> had my alternater tested and it's good. i checked all my connections,
> they're all good. my battery is brand new.
> anyone know what's wrong with it?
> thanks