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Robert Bills 07-13-2004 02:22 PM

Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
Bill,

I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
military maintenance manual:

Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146

Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?

How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?

Thanks.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:17 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks. Just buy the
complete set as all manufacturers use their own design:
http://www.xtremeterrain.com/p75.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:17 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks. Just buy the
complete set as all manufacturers use their own design:
http://www.xtremeterrain.com/p75.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:17 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks. Just buy the
complete set as all manufacturers use their own design:
http://www.xtremeterrain.com/p75.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:17 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks. Just buy the
complete set as all manufacturers use their own design:
http://www.xtremeterrain.com/p75.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


Robert Bills 07-13-2004 04:33 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
ßill wrote:

>I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
>but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
>would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks


Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 04:33 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
ßill wrote:

>I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
>but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
>would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks


Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 04:33 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
ßill wrote:

>I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
>but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
>would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks


Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 04:33 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
ßill wrote:

>I can't find anyone that'll admit to knowing of a Spicer/Dana 23,
>but I've had them apart many times and they look exactly the same as
>would fit the Dana 25, Dana 27 and all the DJ mail trucks


Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:45 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
I hope you're documenting it, for us, like:
http://web.syr.edu/~wposcarl/AirBrak...Photo-Copy.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:45 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
I hope you're documenting it, for us, like:
http://web.syr.edu/~wposcarl/AirBrak...Photo-Copy.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:45 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
I hope you're documenting it, for us, like:
http://web.syr.edu/~wposcarl/AirBrak...Photo-Copy.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 04:45 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
I hope you're documenting it, for us, like:
http://web.syr.edu/~wposcarl/AirBrak...Photo-Copy.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. I knew I could count on you for "real jeep" parts sources.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 06:08 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
the military surplus way back in the sixties, and continued making
contracts with the Philippines. I keep his phone and address at:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/su...714BA3AE58&CB=
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 06:08 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
the military surplus way back in the sixties, and continued making
contracts with the Philippines. I keep his phone and address at:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/su...714BA3AE58&CB=
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 06:08 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
the military surplus way back in the sixties, and continued making
contracts with the Philippines. I keep his phone and address at:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/su...714BA3AE58&CB=
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-13-2004 06:08 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
Hi Robert,
You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
the military surplus way back in the sixties, and continued making
contracts with the Philippines. I keep his phone and address at:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/su...714BA3AE58&CB=
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


Robert Bills 07-13-2004 06:48 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
>Hi Robert,
> You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
>the military surplus way back in the sixties,


Thanks Bill!

I spoke with John at Border Parts. He knew exactly what trailer I have and
says he has everything in stock. I faxed him the list.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 06:48 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
>Hi Robert,
> You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
>the military surplus way back in the sixties,


Thanks Bill!

I spoke with John at Border Parts. He knew exactly what trailer I have and
says he has everything in stock. I faxed him the list.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 06:48 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
>Hi Robert,
> You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
>the military surplus way back in the sixties,


Thanks Bill!

I spoke with John at Border Parts. He knew exactly what trailer I have and
says he has everything in stock. I faxed him the list.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-13-2004 06:48 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows
 
>Hi Robert,
> You might give San Diego's Jeep guru John a call, he bought up all
>the military surplus way back in the sixties,


Thanks Bill!

I spoke with John at Border Parts. He knew exactly what trailer I have and
says he has everything in stock. I faxed him the list.


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

CRWLR 07-13-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
this.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear

axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com




CRWLR 07-13-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
this.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear

axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com




CRWLR 07-13-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
this.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear

axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com




CRWLR 07-13-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
this.



"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Bill,
>
> I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

replace
> the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

full
> floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23 rear

axle
> used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> military maintenance manual:
>
> Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
>
> Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
>
> How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com




Jeff Lowe 07-14-2004 07:48 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10f902a1ak2rnec@corp.supernews.com...
> One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a

bearing
> distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by

working
> backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
> this.
> "Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Bill,
> > I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

> replace
> > the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

> full
> > floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23

rear
> axle
> > used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> > military maintenance manual:
> > Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> > Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> > Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> > Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> > Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> > Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> > Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
> > Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> > with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
> >
> > How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?


The Timken part numbers are still good and any industrial bearings house
such as Bearings Inc should be able to order a set for you.
While you are there, give them the seals and they may be able to cross it.
For the gasket, Garlok and an exacto knife, or RTV.
Jeff



Jeff Lowe 07-14-2004 07:48 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10f902a1ak2rnec@corp.supernews.com...
> One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a

bearing
> distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by

working
> backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
> this.
> "Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Bill,
> > I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

> replace
> > the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

> full
> > floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23

rear
> axle
> > used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> > military maintenance manual:
> > Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> > Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> > Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> > Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> > Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> > Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> > Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
> > Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> > with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
> >
> > How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?


The Timken part numbers are still good and any industrial bearings house
such as Bearings Inc should be able to order a set for you.
While you are there, give them the seals and they may be able to cross it.
For the gasket, Garlok and an exacto knife, or RTV.
Jeff



Jeff Lowe 07-14-2004 07:48 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10f902a1ak2rnec@corp.supernews.com...
> One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a

bearing
> distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by

working
> backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
> this.
> "Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Bill,
> > I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

> replace
> > the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

> full
> > floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23

rear
> axle
> > used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> > military maintenance manual:
> > Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> > Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> > Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> > Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> > Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> > Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> > Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
> > Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> > with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
> >
> > How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?


The Timken part numbers are still good and any industrial bearings house
such as Bearings Inc should be able to order a set for you.
While you are there, give them the seals and they may be able to cross it.
For the gasket, Garlok and an exacto knife, or RTV.
Jeff



Jeff Lowe 07-14-2004 07:48 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10f902a1ak2rnec@corp.supernews.com...
> One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a

bearing
> distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by

working
> backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
> this.
> "Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:20040713142204.19468.00001632@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Bill,
> > I am completing the rehab of my '46 Bantam BT3C trailer, and need to

> replace
> > the bearings, races, oil seals and flange gaskets on the axle. It is a

> full
> > floater which I believe uses parts interchangable with the Spicer 23

rear
> axle
> > used in MBs and early CJ2As. Here are the part #s specified in the 1942
> > military maintenance manual:
> > Cone and Roller Bearing Timken18590
> > Roller Bearing Cup Timken 18520
> > Hub oil seal assembly Spicer 17004
> > Outer wheel bearing washer Spicer 17015
> > Outer wheel bearing nut Spicer 17016
> > Outer wheel bearing nut lock washer Spicer 17017
> > Wheel flange gasket Spicer 17146
> > Do you know of an Internet source for cross referencing these WWII part

numbers
> > with "modern" part numbers for various manufacturers?
> >
> > How about a good SoCal or Internet source for the parts themselves?


The Timken part numbers are still good and any industrial bearings house
such as Bearings Inc should be able to order a set for you.
While you are there, give them the seals and they may be able to cross it.
For the gasket, Garlok and an exacto knife, or RTV.
Jeff



Robert Bills 07-14-2004 05:19 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
>From: "CRWLR"

>One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
>distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
>backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
>this.


Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)

Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.

Border Parts
3875 Bancroft Dr
Spring Valley, CA 91977
619-461-0075


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-14-2004 05:19 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
>From: "CRWLR"

>One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
>distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
>backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
>this.


Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)

Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.

Border Parts
3875 Bancroft Dr
Spring Valley, CA 91977
619-461-0075


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-14-2004 05:19 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
>From: "CRWLR"

>One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
>distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
>backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
>this.


Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)

Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.

Border Parts
3875 Bancroft Dr
Spring Valley, CA 91977
619-461-0075


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Robert Bills 07-14-2004 05:19 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
>From: "CRWLR"

>One other way to attack this Robert is to pull the parts and go to a bearing
>distributor. They can take measurements and derive a part number by working
>backwards. I have had reasonably good luck at my local NAPA outlet doing
>this.


Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)

Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.

Border Parts
3875 Bancroft Dr
Spring Valley, CA 91977
619-461-0075


Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-14-2004 05:38 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
> He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
> Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
> reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
>
> Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
>
> Border Parts
> 3875 Bancroft Dr
> Spring Valley, CA 91977
> 619-461-0075
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-14-2004 05:38 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
> He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
> Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
> reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
>
> Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
>
> Border Parts
> 3875 Bancroft Dr
> Spring Valley, CA 91977
> 619-461-0075
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-14-2004 05:38 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
> He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
> Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
> reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
>
> Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
>
> Border Parts
> 3875 Bancroft Dr
> Spring Valley, CA 91977
> 619-461-0075
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-14-2004 05:38 PM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knowsanswer)
 
LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley CA.
> He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers, also the
> Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and very
> reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
>
> Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
>
> Border Parts
> 3875 Bancroft Dr
> Spring Valley, CA 91977
> 619-461-0075
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com


Richard Harris 07-17-2004 01:37 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
John is amazing. I first went in to Border Parts about 8 years ago looking
to rebuild my AMC 20. I told John I wanted to put in a Detroit Locker and
replace all the rest of the guts. Without looking at a book or manual of any
kind he just went to back and started pulling parts from the shelves. He
must have a parts catalog in his head. Whenever I can, I go there for parts.
The place looks dumpy outside but all my buddies at work and I swear by him.
Rich
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40F5A7E5.52250B00@cox.net...
> LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
> educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Bills wrote:
> >
> > Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley

CA.
> > He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers,

also the
> > Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> > Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and

very
> > reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
> >
> > Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
> >
> > Border Parts
> > 3875 Bancroft Dr
> > Spring Valley, CA 91977
> > 619-461-0075
> >
> > Robert Bills
> > KG6LMV
> > Orange County CA
> >
> > http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> > http://www.RobertBills.com




Richard Harris 07-17-2004 01:37 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
John is amazing. I first went in to Border Parts about 8 years ago looking
to rebuild my AMC 20. I told John I wanted to put in a Detroit Locker and
replace all the rest of the guts. Without looking at a book or manual of any
kind he just went to back and started pulling parts from the shelves. He
must have a parts catalog in his head. Whenever I can, I go there for parts.
The place looks dumpy outside but all my buddies at work and I swear by him.
Rich
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40F5A7E5.52250B00@cox.net...
> LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
> educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Bills wrote:
> >
> > Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley

CA.
> > He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers,

also the
> > Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> > Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and

very
> > reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
> >
> > Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
> >
> > Border Parts
> > 3875 Bancroft Dr
> > Spring Valley, CA 91977
> > 619-461-0075
> >
> > Robert Bills
> > KG6LMV
> > Orange County CA
> >
> > http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> > http://www.RobertBills.com




Richard Harris 07-17-2004 01:37 AM

Re: Early Jeep Question for Bill Hughes (or anyone else who knows answer)
 
John is amazing. I first went in to Border Parts about 8 years ago looking
to rebuild my AMC 20. I told John I wanted to put in a Detroit Locker and
replace all the rest of the guts. Without looking at a book or manual of any
kind he just went to back and started pulling parts from the shelves. He
must have a parts catalog in his head. Whenever I can, I go there for parts.
The place looks dumpy outside but all my buddies at work and I swear by him.
Rich
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40F5A7E5.52250B00@cox.net...
> LOL I did know him way before I owned a Jeep, along with other over
> educated draft dodgers attending San Diego State, early sixties.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Robert Bills wrote:
> >
> > Per Bill's suggestion, I contacted John at Border Parts in Spring Valley

CA.
> > He is familiar with the WWII Willys MBT and Bantam BT3 jeep trailers,

also the
> > Korean War era M-100. Not only that, he has everything I need in stock.
> > Genuine Timken and Spicer, no imported junk. Good customer service and

very
> > reasonable prices. (Even if I did tell him that I know Bill.)
> >
> > Bill was correct. John is a great source for "real jeep" parts.
> >
> > Border Parts
> > 3875 Bancroft Dr
> > Spring Valley, CA 91977
> > 619-461-0075
> >
> > Robert Bills
> > KG6LMV
> > Orange County CA
> >
> > http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> > http://www.RobertBills.com





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