Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
05-29-2007, 01:29 PM
#51
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Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
05-29-2007, 01:29 PM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
05-29-2007, 01:29 PM
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
> >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
> >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich
> >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway
> >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj??
> >> >
> >>
> >> Why do you think you need 5th?
> >>
> >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I
> >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep
> >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
05-29-2007, 03:46 PM
#54
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Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
05-29-2007, 03:46 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
05-29-2007, 03:46 PM
#56
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Posts: n/a
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
05-29-2007, 03:46 PM
#57
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Posts: n/a
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
> the tank back up too for some strange reason...
>
> I normally run trails in 3rd low.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> twaldron wrote:
> > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
> > away with my setup.
>
> > tw
>
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> >> dead stalker it would seem.
>
> >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
>
> >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
> >> obviously don't need lower gears.
>
> >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd,
> >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I
> >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
>
> >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or
> >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my
> >> Jeep.
>
> >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------.
>
> >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better
> >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
05-30-2007, 12:31 AM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
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05-30-2007, 12:31 AM
#59
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Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
--
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transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
--
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05-30-2007, 12:31 AM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
transmissions.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com...
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
> gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
> that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
> strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
> EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
> of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
> which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
> orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
> not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
> would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
> great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
> vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
> 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
> especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
> stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
> is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
> would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
> low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
> engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
> the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
> requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
> means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
> cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
> for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
> that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
> (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
> well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
> the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
>
>
> This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
> at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
>
> http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
>
>
> This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
> compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
> for.
>
> http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
>
> There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
> know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
> and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
> of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
> when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
> they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
> there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
> understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
> the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
> for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
> not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.
--
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