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Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales, Earle "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <----------@cox.net> wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the > >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com... > >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich > >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway > >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj?? > >> > > >> > >> Why do you think you need 5th? > >> > >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I > >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep > >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales, Earle "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <----------@cox.net> wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the > >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com... > >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich > >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway > >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj?? > >> > > >> > >> Why do you think you need 5th? > >> > >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I > >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep > >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales, Earle "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <----------@cox.net> wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > > Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the > >output, meaning no more wear and tear on your gears. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > >"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > >news:465b3d58$0$14401$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com... > >> chuck_is_the_god@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > I have a 1993 Jeep Yj with a 3.5 inch BDS lift, BF Goodrich > >> > 35x12.50x15 mudders. i need to get this into 5th gear on the highway > >> > so my qustion is does GM/ford 3.73 gears fit in 1993 jeep yj?? > >> > > >> > >> Why do you think you need 5th? > >> > >> I had to give up on my 5th gear when I went 33's with my 3.31 gears. I > >> can use it, but it lugs at 1700 at 65 and then I drink gas. If I keep > >> it in 4th which gives me a nice 2300 or so at 65 mph, I get 23 mpg. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and > when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top > the tank back up too for some strange reason... > > I normally run trails in 3rd low. > > Mike > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No > > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get > > away with my setup. > > > tw > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain > >> dead stalker it would seem. > > >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue. > > >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I > >> obviously don't need lower gears. > > >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd, > >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I > >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go. > > >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or > >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my > >> Jeep. > > >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------. > > >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better > >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker. > > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a dive. Takes practice! |
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and > when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top > the tank back up too for some strange reason... > > I normally run trails in 3rd low. > > Mike > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No > > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get > > away with my setup. > > > tw > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain > >> dead stalker it would seem. > > >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue. > > >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I > >> obviously don't need lower gears. > > >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd, > >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I > >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go. > > >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or > >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my > >> Jeep. > > >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------. > > >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better > >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker. > > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a dive. Takes practice! |
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and > when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top > the tank back up too for some strange reason... > > I normally run trails in 3rd low. > > Mike > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No > > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get > > away with my setup. > > > tw > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain > >> dead stalker it would seem. > > >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue. > > >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I > >> obviously don't need lower gears. > > >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd, > >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I > >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go. > > >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or > >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my > >> Jeep. > > >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------. > > >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better > >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker. > > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a dive. Takes practice! |
Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj? = SnoMan the Stalker
On May 29, 11:16 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and > when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top > the tank back up too for some strange reason... > > I normally run trails in 3rd low. > > Mike > > > > twaldron wrote: > > Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No > > biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get > > away with my setup. > > > tw > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain > >> dead stalker it would seem. > > >> I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue. > > >> I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I > >> obviously don't need lower gears. > > >> I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd, > >> 3rd pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I > >> have 'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go. > > >> I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or > >> 5th gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my > >> Jeep. > > >> So, once again, go screw yourself and your total --------. > > >> If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better > >> to do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker. > > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a dive. Takes practice! |
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Re: Does GM 3.73 gears fit a 1993 jeep yj?
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:ji3o5310ic383l95murrf29c37qkns1kvq@4ax.com... > This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects > himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall > gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees > that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra > strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in > EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic > of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground > which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to > orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will > not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56 > would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a > great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size, > vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A > 3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or > especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their > stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego > is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing > would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of > low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because > engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM > the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle > requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which > means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to > cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag > for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means > that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio > (old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform > well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows > the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63 > > > This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque > at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change > > http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53 > > > This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you > compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio > for. > > http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html > > There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they > know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies > and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction > of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And > when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south > they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then > there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully > understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes > the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping > for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do > not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they > also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that > preforms better too on and off road. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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