On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:45:35 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>When you put new parts on old stuff, it 'normally' needs to be set up
>properly again.
>
>You are mixing old bearings that were set with the old Yoke and crush
>sleeve or shim set.
>
>I would say the odds of it going together properly mixing and matching
>parts as less than 1%.
>
>You are playing with a differential here and if the end play in that
>yoke isn't perfect, you 'will' be looking for a new one soon or an
>expensive repair.
>
>I was lucky and the jerk only fried my bearings, not my ring and pinion
>too and it still cost me $500.00 to get it repaired.

Maybe mine was put together wrong when I bought it which is why it
failed? There was no crush washer when I took mine apart. There was
one piece that looked like a spacer but it was solid steel. I guess
you could call that a shim.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:45:00 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you know how and have the proper tools to put that yoke on?
>> >
>> >I had a so called Jeep 'mechanic' install mine because I didn't know the
>> >correct way and didn't have a 300 lb torque wrench and he destroyed my
>> >diff bearings. He said, like others here have said, "Oh, you don't need
>> >new shims and I don't need a torque wrench to do it right". Ya Right!
>>
>> I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>>
>> >
>> >I then had to take it to a 'real' mechanic to have it rebuilt properly
>> >and $500.00 later had a Jeep I could drive again.
>> >
>> >You will need the clips on the driveshaft side of the u-joint and be
>> >sure the u-joint is in facing the right way. If you have it backward,
>> >you will not be able to get grease in the nipple, the gun won't fit on.
>> >
>> >The nipple needs to be on the side that has the crack open up when the
>> >driveshaft turns for room for the grease gun.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Shaggie wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Please take a look at this picture:
>> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/temp/yoke.jpg
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying to finish up fixing my Jeep today. I was putting the
>> >> u-joint into the yoke. Fits great and the straps fit great but the
>> >> u-joint came with those 4 brass clip things. I don't see where in the
>> >> world to use them. Are they for "some applications" but not mine?
>> >> '76 CJ5 with dana 20 transfer case. That's what the yoke's going on,
>> >> the front output of the dana 20 transfer case. Thanks in advance for
>> >> replies!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> >> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> >> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> >> - W.C. Fields
>>
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:45:35 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>When you put new parts on old stuff, it 'normally' needs to be set up
>properly again.
>
>You are mixing old bearings that were set with the old Yoke and crush
>sleeve or shim set.
>
>I would say the odds of it going together properly mixing and matching
>parts as less than 1%.
>
>You are playing with a differential here and if the end play in that
>yoke isn't perfect, you 'will' be looking for a new one soon or an
>expensive repair.
>
>I was lucky and the jerk only fried my bearings, not my ring and pinion
>too and it still cost me $500.00 to get it repaired.

Maybe mine was put together wrong when I bought it which is why it
failed? There was no crush washer when I took mine apart. There was
one piece that looked like a spacer but it was solid steel. I guess
you could call that a shim.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:45:00 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you know how and have the proper tools to put that yoke on?
>> >
>> >I had a so called Jeep 'mechanic' install mine because I didn't know the
>> >correct way and didn't have a 300 lb torque wrench and he destroyed my
>> >diff bearings. He said, like others here have said, "Oh, you don't need
>> >new shims and I don't need a torque wrench to do it right". Ya Right!
>>
>> I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>>
>> >
>> >I then had to take it to a 'real' mechanic to have it rebuilt properly
>> >and $500.00 later had a Jeep I could drive again.
>> >
>> >You will need the clips on the driveshaft side of the u-joint and be
>> >sure the u-joint is in facing the right way. If you have it backward,
>> >you will not be able to get grease in the nipple, the gun won't fit on.
>> >
>> >The nipple needs to be on the side that has the crack open up when the
>> >driveshaft turns for room for the grease gun.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Shaggie wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Please take a look at this picture:
>> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/temp/yoke.jpg
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying to finish up fixing my Jeep today. I was putting the
>> >> u-joint into the yoke. Fits great and the straps fit great but the
>> >> u-joint came with those 4 brass clip things. I don't see where in the
>> >> world to use them. Are they for "some applications" but not mine?
>> >> '76 CJ5 with dana 20 transfer case. That's what the yoke's going on,
>> >> the front output of the dana 20 transfer case. Thanks in advance for
>> >> replies!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> >> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> >> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> >> - W.C. Fields
>>
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:45:35 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>When you put new parts on old stuff, it 'normally' needs to be set up
>properly again.
>
>You are mixing old bearings that were set with the old Yoke and crush
>sleeve or shim set.
>
>I would say the odds of it going together properly mixing and matching
>parts as less than 1%.
>
>You are playing with a differential here and if the end play in that
>yoke isn't perfect, you 'will' be looking for a new one soon or an
>expensive repair.
>
>I was lucky and the jerk only fried my bearings, not my ring and pinion
>too and it still cost me $500.00 to get it repaired.

Maybe mine was put together wrong when I bought it which is why it
failed? There was no crush washer when I took mine apart. There was
one piece that looked like a spacer but it was solid steel. I guess
you could call that a shim.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:45:00 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you know how and have the proper tools to put that yoke on?
>> >
>> >I had a so called Jeep 'mechanic' install mine because I didn't know the
>> >correct way and didn't have a 300 lb torque wrench and he destroyed my
>> >diff bearings. He said, like others here have said, "Oh, you don't need
>> >new shims and I don't need a torque wrench to do it right". Ya Right!
>>
>> I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>>
>> >
>> >I then had to take it to a 'real' mechanic to have it rebuilt properly
>> >and $500.00 later had a Jeep I could drive again.
>> >
>> >You will need the clips on the driveshaft side of the u-joint and be
>> >sure the u-joint is in facing the right way. If you have it backward,
>> >you will not be able to get grease in the nipple, the gun won't fit on.
>> >
>> >The nipple needs to be on the side that has the crack open up when the
>> >driveshaft turns for room for the grease gun.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >Shaggie wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Please take a look at this picture:
>> >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/temp/yoke.jpg
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying to finish up fixing my Jeep today. I was putting the
>> >> u-joint into the yoke. Fits great and the straps fit great but the
>> >> u-joint came with those 4 brass clip things. I don't see where in the
>> >> world to use them. Are they for "some applications" but not mine?
>> >> '76 CJ5 with dana 20 transfer case. That's what the yoke's going on,
>> >> the front output of the dana 20 transfer case. Thanks in advance for
>> >> replies!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> >> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> >> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> >> - W.C. Fields
>>
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>a Dana 20.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will. He really sounded like he
knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
didn't correct him. Here's his post:
<snip>
The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.

--
Will Honea
<snip>


>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>a Dana 20.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will. He really sounded like he
knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
didn't correct him. Here's his post:
<snip>
The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.

--
Will Honea
<snip>


>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>a Dana 20.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will. He really sounded like he
knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
didn't correct him. Here's his post:
<snip>
The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.

--
Will Honea
<snip>


>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>a Dana 20.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will. He really sounded like he
knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
didn't correct him. Here's his post:
<snip>
The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.

--
Will Honea
<snip>


>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>> all...
>> --
>>
>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On 30 Jul 2004 19:41:50 GMT, Shaggie <blah@blah.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>>a Dana 20.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will.

Oh, nevermind. I see what you mean now, Bill. I thought you meant
the person who told me I didn't have to worry abou tthe crush washer
was Mike. I just got confused. Imagine that. heh heh

> He really sounded like he
>knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
>didn't correct him. Here's his post:
><snip>
>The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
>differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
>shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
>to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
>precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
>prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.
>
>--
>Will Honea
><snip>
>
>
>>
>>Shaggie wrote:
>>>
>>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>>> all...
>>> --
>>>
>>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On 30 Jul 2004 19:41:50 GMT, Shaggie <blah@blah.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>>a Dana 20.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will.

Oh, nevermind. I see what you mean now, Bill. I thought you meant
the person who told me I didn't have to worry abou tthe crush washer
was Mike. I just got confused. Imagine that. heh heh

> He really sounded like he
>knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
>didn't correct him. Here's his post:
><snip>
>The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
>differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
>shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
>to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
>precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
>prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.
>
>--
>Will Honea
><snip>
>
>
>>
>>Shaggie wrote:
>>>
>>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>>> all...
>>> --
>>>
>>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

 

On 30 Jul 2004 19:41:50 GMT, Shaggie <blah@blah.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:52:10 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
><----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike was referring to his Dana 44, and didn't catch you're working
>>a Dana 20.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>It wasn't Mike. It was a guy named Will.

Oh, nevermind. I see what you mean now, Bill. I thought you meant
the person who told me I didn't have to worry abou tthe crush washer
was Mike. I just got confused. Imagine that. heh heh

> He really sounded like he
>knew what he was talking about. You even replied to his post and
>didn't correct him. Here's his post:
><snip>
>The tc front shaft (or rear, either) does not use a crush washer. The
>differential pinon shaft uses the crush washer to pre-load the input
>shaft but there's no preload to worry about on the tc. You might want
>to replace the seal on the tc while you have it apart, but the only
>precaution about re-installing the yoke is to grease the shaft/seal to
>prevent damage from running dry and set the torque as spec'd.
>
>--
>Will Honea
><snip>
>
>
>>
>>Shaggie wrote:
>>>
>>>I was told by a member of this group that I didn't need any shims at
>>> all...
>>> --
>>>
>>> Less drivel, more Dremel.
>>> Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
>>> and furthermore always carry a small snake.
>>> - W.C. Fields

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields