Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
01-09-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
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> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
> an airbag.
>
> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
>
The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
01-09-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
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> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
> an airbag.
>
> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
>
The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
01-09-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
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> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
> an airbag.
>
> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
>
The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
01-09-2007, 05:14 PM
#44
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
Sorry if I am posting at the incorrect location in the thread,
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
01-09-2007, 05:14 PM
#45
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
Sorry if I am posting at the incorrect location in the thread,
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
01-09-2007, 05:14 PM
#46
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
Sorry if I am posting at the incorrect location in the thread,
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...ype=standard#7
This is the link to the NHTSA Website that gives the particulars for when,
why, and how an airbag can be disabled.
It seems the rules have changed a bit since I read them last. Formerly, one
could download or locally print a PDF, and take the form to the dealership
to get a bypass switch installed. Now, it appears one can essentially do the
same thing, but must directly petition the NHTSA to get permission to do it.
It appears the feds want greater understanding/oversight of the process and
the participants.
Bottom line, the NHTSA certainly does have the authority to require a dealer
to disable an airbag, especially in the situation concerning a Jeep
Wrangler, where the vehicle can be used without a back seat AND a child is
riding as a passenger in the front seat, OR where there are more child
passengers than be accomodated by the back seat so one child must be a
passenger in the front seat.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:kRLoh.25783$oA1.23764@newsfe19.lga...
> bllsht wrote:
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>
> True.
>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>
> It is a DOT Regulation 49 CFR 571/595
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf
> It only exempts the dealership from the statutory prohibition
> against modifying safey equipment.
>
> --
> DougW
>
01-09-2007, 10:55 PM
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:51:14 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
01-09-2007, 10:55 PM
#48
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:51:14 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
01-09-2007, 10:55 PM
#49
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Re: Disabling pass airbag in '97 TJ
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:51:14 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
wrote:
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:5d76q2tprrtpglraj1j0iu90p58e4f5ls9@4ax.com.. .
>> Wrong. They don't have the authority to require a dealer to disable
>> an airbag.
>>
>> You should know what you're talking about before spewing --------.
>>
>>
>
>The airbag is a SERIOUS hazard to a child, and a Jeep Wrangler was offered
>without a back seat, therefore the NHTSA mandates that the passenger airbag
>cutoff be made available to anybody that asks, and has a vehicle that fits
>the need (one without a back seat). The NHTSA has a PDF form that one simply
>prints out at home and takes to an authorized dealer. The dealer can then
>install a kit -- I assume there is a cost involved, but I don't know or
>care. The PDF is a liability waiver.
>
>
Serious hazard or not, there is nothing that says a dealer must
disable the airbag.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nht...pe=standard#24
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