Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Eric wrote:

> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.

Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.


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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
to do about Jeeps?

Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?

Sure seems like it.

Do you even own a Jeep? You have 'never' posted about it or Jeeps, just
off topic crap.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> > Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.  Well, on the absurdity of unions
> > part anyway.  Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.  Seen it done.
>
> Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
> can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
> in business at all because they're weak.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
to do about Jeeps?

Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?

Sure seems like it.

Do you even own a Jeep? You have 'never' posted about it or Jeeps, just
off topic crap.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> > Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.  Well, on the absurdity of unions
> > part anyway.  Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.  Seen it done.
>
> Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
> can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
> in business at all because they're weak.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
to do about Jeeps?

Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?

Sure seems like it.

Do you even own a Jeep? You have 'never' posted about it or Jeeps, just
off topic crap.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> > Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.  Well, on the absurdity of unions
> > part anyway.  Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.  Seen it done.
>
> Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
> can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
> in business at all because they're weak.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
to do about Jeeps?

Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?

Sure seems like it.

Do you even own a Jeep? You have 'never' posted about it or Jeeps, just
off topic crap.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> > Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.  Well, on the absurdity of unions
> > part anyway.  Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.  Seen it done.
>
> Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
> can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
> in business at all because they're weak.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
> to do about Jeeps?
>
> Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?
>
> Sure seems like it.

Yeah, 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0. I've owned it since brand new in Sept.
1993. 146,000+ on the odometer, only mildly off roaded.

No, I simply responded to the Detroit vs. Japan thing, and response after
response has led to this. Has this thread gotten out of hand and off-topic?
Probably so. Somewhere in this thread mentions of the UAW being the bad
guys and bad mouthing dealership mechanics really ticked me off.

If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.


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Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
> to do about Jeeps?
>
> Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?
>
> Sure seems like it.

Yeah, 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0. I've owned it since brand new in Sept.
1993. 146,000+ on the odometer, only mildly off roaded.

No, I simply responded to the Detroit vs. Japan thing, and response after
response has led to this. Has this thread gotten out of hand and off-topic?
Probably so. Somewhere in this thread mentions of the UAW being the bad
guys and bad mouthing dealership mechanics really ticked me off.

If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
> to do about Jeeps?
>
> Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?
>
> Sure seems like it.

Yeah, 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0. I've owned it since brand new in Sept.
1993. 146,000+ on the odometer, only mildly off roaded.

No, I simply responded to the Detroit vs. Japan thing, and response after
response has led to this. Has this thread gotten out of hand and off-topic?
Probably so. Somewhere in this thread mentions of the UAW being the bad
guys and bad mouthing dealership mechanics really ticked me off.

If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull ---- have
> to do about Jeeps?
>
> Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something?
>
> Sure seems like it.

Yeah, 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0. I've owned it since brand new in Sept.
1993. 146,000+ on the odometer, only mildly off roaded.

No, I simply responded to the Detroit vs. Japan thing, and response after
response has led to this. Has this thread gotten out of hand and off-topic?
Probably so. Somewhere in this thread mentions of the UAW being the bad
guys and bad mouthing dealership mechanics really ticked me off.

If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

Re: Detroit Vs Japan
 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Most mechanics turned
>>around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an
>>hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year
>>while working 40 hrs. a week.
>
> if you honestly believe _any_ dealership mechanic is making $83k a year then
> you have no idea at just how ignorant you are to how it really works. for
> starters, unless youve been there 15 years you arent going to see anywhere
> near $20 an hour. assuming you do eventually see $20 an hour it isnt really
> $20 an hour. manufacturers set how many hours they allow for a repair and
> pay you accordingly. for example, they may authorize 1 hour for changing an
> alternator even though it takes you 3 hours to change it. no matter how
> long it takes, youre getting paid for that 1 hour they allowed. you might
> know dealership mechanics who work 80 hours per week but you can bet your
> scrotum that they arent getting paid for it.

According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
$10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
<URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>

Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)

The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"