Death wobble revisited
08-21-2005, 01:10 PM
#31
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Posts: n/a
Re: Death wobble revisited
Usually a track bar problem.... also check for integrity of the drivers
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
08-21-2005, 01:10 PM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: Death wobble revisited
Usually a track bar problem.... also check for integrity of the drivers
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
08-21-2005, 01:10 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death wobble revisited
Usually a track bar problem.... also check for integrity of the drivers
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
09-18-2005, 09:15 PM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
09-18-2005, 09:15 PM
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Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
09-18-2005, 09:15 PM
#36
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Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>
>>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>ok too.
>>
>>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>
>>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>
>>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>
>>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>difference at all.
>>
>>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>
>>Got any more ideas for me???
>>
>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 98 TJ
>>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>>>> its smooth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>>>> happens at 35.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>>>> hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks gang!
>>>>> -jenn
09-18-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Hi Jennifer,
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
09-18-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Hi Jennifer,
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
09-18-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Hi Jennifer,
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
09-19-2005, 09:03 AM
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn