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Re: Death Wobble

I now have several tool boxes divided up by project for just that reason in
addition to the main handtool box.. It does lead to duplication of some
common tools but I would rather have two 19 inch tool boxes than one 26
incher I couldn't lift.

Every time I go the Sears I look at those roll-away tool boxes with
extendable handles but then..... how would I get them in and out of the
Jeep?

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
> remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
> still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
> run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
> work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
> minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
> 1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
> carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
> lift on a bet!
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>
>> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
>> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
>> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
>> based set.
>>
>> Will Honea wrote:
>> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
>> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
>> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
>> > one out as well.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt
>> >>out.
>> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>> >>afternoon....
>> >>
>> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s
>> >>but no
>> >>18s.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>> >>
>> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>> >>>twice
>> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have
>> >>>them
>> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>> >>>
>> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it
>> >>>every
>> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the
>> >>>money.
>> >>>
>> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or
>> >>>later
>> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>> >>>
>> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take
>> >>>it.
>> >>>This is a very common problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>Paul Nelson
>> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd
>> >>>Hanning
>> >>>at
>> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to
>> >>>>slow
>> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>> >>>>continue.
>> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said
>> >>>>he
>> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the
>> >>>>steering
>> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>Lloyd
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> >>>>>wobble......
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>What I know:
>> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at
>> >>>>>that
>> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,
>> >>>>>condition
>> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>brake job)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation
>> >>>>>only
>> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last
>> >>>>>night.
>> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem.
>> >>>>>(I
>> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never
>> >>>>>been
>> >>>>>mentioned before)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: Death Wobble

Hi Mike,
You miss a lot of the action by being satisfied with nine inch
wide, thirty twos, the tempt the hand of fait going twelve inches wide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> How can you folks put up with broken Jeeps so early in their lives?
> Losing control on RR tracks is just plain insanity and any vehicle that
> does that should be taken off the road.
>
> A steering damper shock is there to make the steering less twitchy when
> it hits ruts or rocks or has to do a fast maneuver.
>
> For the Jeep to go into a 'death wobble', something must be broke!
>
> You either have a bad tie rod end, a bad ball joint, a bad wheel
> bearing, a bad track bar end, either the bushing or it's ball joint, a
> bad bushing on a control arm or a broken belt in a tire, an out of round
> tire or a really out of balance tire.
>
> To put a 'bigger' steering shock on is only an attempt to mask the
> symptoms of a potentially deadly problem.
>
> Hint: It isn't called 'The Death Wobble' for nothing....
>
> I would be freaking out on the service manager and taking him for a
> drive to show him.
>
> I just figured out that in the 10 years I have owned my CJ7, it has
> never even 'had' a steering damper shock. There is only an empty tube
> there with a rod flopping around inside it.
>
> When I first bought it it was dangerous and unacceptable to drive due to
> the death wobble. I said screw that and 'fixed' it by replacing the
> worn out steering parts like tie rod ends and ball joints. Never even
> thought of changing the steering shock.
>
> My steering is still great....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Death Wobble

Hi John,
Familiarize yourself with their names:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TJalignment.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

John in Vegas wrote:
>
> Fixing the death wobble on my JEEP was easy, getting someone to tell me why it
> happened wasnt so easy. It was the link that holds the axle from going side to
> side (forgot what they call it). It was the connection at the axle which was
> loose. If you catch it early enough, it wont make the bolt hole egg shaped. Just
> tighten up the link, if I remember correctly, it takes a big torx.
>
> John in Vegas

Re: Death Wobble

i'd check your steering stablizer or front shocks.
does the steering wheel get all goofy when you hit a bump as well?

Lloyd Hanning wrote:
> I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can continue.
> I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> recommendations on what damper to get?
>
> Thanks
> Lloyd
>
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> > How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >
> > I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> > crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> > wobble......
> >
> > Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >
> > What I know:
> > '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> > Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> > time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> > of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> > brake job)
> >
> > Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> > mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> > I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> > suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> > mentioned before)
> >
> > I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> > than the above, that I should look for?
> >

Re: Death Wobble