Darn Tire Pressure sensors
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
#101
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
No scientific proof to back up my claims, just my log book of my racing
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
#102
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
No scientific proof to back up my claims, just my log book of my racing
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
#103
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
No scientific proof to back up my claims, just my log book of my racing
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
days. I was told my other racers who raced a long time that nitrogen doesn't
expand and contract as much when the tires heat up. Our stock car tires had
to be constantly monitored to keep the tire stagger set at a certain amount
for proper handling. Looking at my log books, I see some truth to this. The
tires did not grow in diameter as much when we used nitrogen as opposed to
compressed air. The tires used by our local tracks for the class of cars I
raced were notorious for changing drastically in diameter, but the changes
were not consistent from tire to tire for several reasons. This was the
biggest benefit of the nitrogen for us, but it was also the fact that the
bottle was nice to have there to eliminate the need for a compressor at the
track. You could power all your air tools and fill your tires for several
weeks on one bottle of nitrogen,
Chris
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:458AA537.A666A4CF@sympatico.ca...
>I will have to agree!
>
> There was a good discussion on another group about this and I believe
> the consensus was that 'race' cars use the nitrogen tanks to fill tires
> because it is the cheapest and easiest to get. Compressed air
> apparently is an unusual gas to sell in bulk tanks.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> philthy wrote:
>>
>> it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money
>> from
>> your wallet
>>
>> FrankW wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentioned this before and to some it's ludicrous.
>> > I've got plain ol' air in my tires O.K.!!! :-)
>> >
>> > A lot of tire shops are now recommending putting nitrogen in
>> > the tires instead of plain ol' air. Apparently the nitrogen
>> > has a bigger molecule which leaks less and doesn't change pressure as
>> > much from temperature as plain ol' air does.
>> >
>> > I've seen a brochure from a tire shop recommending the above but they
>> > were charging 14 dollars for it ......LOL
>> >
>> > Mike Romain wrote:
>> > > You know, our Cherokee insists on 'winter air' in it's tires come
>> > > cold
>> > > weather for some strange reason.
>> > >
>> > > Every winter, the 'summer air' or the old 'stale' last winter's air
>> > > just
>> > > lets itself out. We have to take it in to the tire shop and they
>> > > have
>> > > to let the air totally out, break down the tire and then clean it to
>> > > be
>> > > sure 'all' of it comes out and then fill it with new 'winter air'.
>> > >
>> > > At least they are under warranty for flats....
>> > >
>> > > Maybe his new one has the same type of tires and rims?
>> > > ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > >
>> > > Kate wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Are you checking your spare tire too?
12-22-2006, 07:47 PM
#104
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
spare whats that?? hehehehe
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
12-22-2006, 07:47 PM
#105
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
spare whats that?? hehehehe
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
12-22-2006, 07:47 PM
#106
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
spare whats that?? hehehehe
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" wrote:
> Like when was the last time you check your spare's pressure?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> philthy wrote:
> >
> > it's all HORSESHIT they are just trying new things to remove the money from
> > your wallet
12-23-2006, 03:26 AM
#107
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
That's what you look for when leaving camp, then get in line just
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
12-23-2006, 03:26 AM
#108
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
That's what you look for when leaving camp, then get in line just
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
12-23-2006, 03:26 AM
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Re: Darn Tire Pressure sensors
That's what you look for when leaving camp, then get in line just
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
ahead of him.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
philthy wrote:
>
> spare whats that?? hehehehe
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