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Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
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Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
Noise and cracked or broken frame parts. Dents alone is not evidence of
abuse, at least in a Jeep. Dents on the bottom of my BMW woiuld be cause for alarm, dents on the bottom of a Jeep are merely a sign that the vehicle has gone offroad, and going offroad is not in itself abusive. It can be abusive, but doesn't have to be. A vehicle that has been abused will rattle and creak(?) and shift poorly. If the seller has kept it clean and sparkly, he has probably kept it full of oil and been reasonably cautious while offroading. If the seller allows it to become very dirty, he has probably not change the oil, and been overly rough with his equipment. "Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message news:pt26h01ltkih2hm0ai842gt8044vp00v1q@4ax.com... > So what do you tell newbie to look for that indicates an abused vehicle. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches, > >the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The > >front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag > >link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at > >all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase. > >I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back. > > > >Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so > >hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that > >weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ... > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message > >news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. . > >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is > >abused, > >> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-) > >> > > >> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an > >> >indicator of one that should be thrown back. > >> > >> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a > >few > >> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. > ><lol> > >> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably > >negotiate > >> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) > >You > >> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little > >concerned > >> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it > >> good.." > >> > >> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't > >get > >> anything. > >> > >> Dean > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message > >> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. . > >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> <snip> > >> >> > >> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a > >> >look at, > >> >> >or are there other clues? > >> >> > >> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for > >the > >> >axle > >> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the > >> >shiny > >> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates > >and > >> >general > >> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the > >top > >> >part > >> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you > >look > >> >at the > >> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square > >> >inch that > >> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g> > >> >> > >> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or > >use > >> >your > >> >> knowledge to get a better price. > >> >> > >> >> Dean > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
Noise and cracked or broken frame parts. Dents alone is not evidence of
abuse, at least in a Jeep. Dents on the bottom of my BMW woiuld be cause for alarm, dents on the bottom of a Jeep are merely a sign that the vehicle has gone offroad, and going offroad is not in itself abusive. It can be abusive, but doesn't have to be. A vehicle that has been abused will rattle and creak(?) and shift poorly. If the seller has kept it clean and sparkly, he has probably kept it full of oil and been reasonably cautious while offroading. If the seller allows it to become very dirty, he has probably not change the oil, and been overly rough with his equipment. "Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message news:pt26h01ltkih2hm0ai842gt8044vp00v1q@4ax.com... > So what do you tell newbie to look for that indicates an abused vehicle. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches, > >the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The > >front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag > >link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at > >all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase. > >I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back. > > > >Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so > >hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that > >weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ... > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message > >news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. . > >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is > >abused, > >> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-) > >> > > >> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an > >> >indicator of one that should be thrown back. > >> > >> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a > >few > >> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. > ><lol> > >> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably > >negotiate > >> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) > >You > >> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little > >concerned > >> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it > >> good.." > >> > >> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't > >get > >> anything. > >> > >> Dean > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message > >> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. . > >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> <snip> > >> >> > >> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a > >> >look at, > >> >> >or are there other clues? > >> >> > >> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for > >the > >> >axle > >> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the > >> >shiny > >> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates > >and > >> >general > >> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the > >top > >> >part > >> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you > >look > >> >at the > >> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square > >> >inch that > >> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g> > >> >> > >> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or > >use > >> >your > >> >> knowledge to get a better price. > >> >> > >> >> Dean > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
Noise and cracked or broken frame parts. Dents alone is not evidence of
abuse, at least in a Jeep. Dents on the bottom of my BMW woiuld be cause for alarm, dents on the bottom of a Jeep are merely a sign that the vehicle has gone offroad, and going offroad is not in itself abusive. It can be abusive, but doesn't have to be. A vehicle that has been abused will rattle and creak(?) and shift poorly. If the seller has kept it clean and sparkly, he has probably kept it full of oil and been reasonably cautious while offroading. If the seller allows it to become very dirty, he has probably not change the oil, and been overly rough with his equipment. "Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message news:pt26h01ltkih2hm0ai842gt8044vp00v1q@4ax.com... > So what do you tell newbie to look for that indicates an abused vehicle. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches, > >the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The > >front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag > >link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at > >all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase. > >I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back. > > > >Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so > >hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that > >weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ... > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message > >news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. . > >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is > >abused, > >> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-) > >> > > >> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an > >> >indicator of one that should be thrown back. > >> > >> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a > >few > >> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. > ><lol> > >> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably > >negotiate > >> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) > >You > >> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little > >concerned > >> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it > >> good.." > >> > >> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't > >get > >> anything. > >> > >> Dean > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message > >> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. . > >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> <snip> > >> >> > >> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a > >> >look at, > >> >> >or are there other clues? > >> >> > >> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for > >the > >> >axle > >> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the > >> >shiny > >> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates > >and > >> >general > >> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the > >top > >> >part > >> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you > >look > >> >at the > >> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square > >> >inch that > >> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g> > >> >> > >> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or > >use > >> >your > >> >> knowledge to get a better price. > >> >> > >> >> Dean > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
Noise and cracked or broken frame parts. Dents alone is not evidence of
abuse, at least in a Jeep. Dents on the bottom of my BMW woiuld be cause for alarm, dents on the bottom of a Jeep are merely a sign that the vehicle has gone offroad, and going offroad is not in itself abusive. It can be abusive, but doesn't have to be. A vehicle that has been abused will rattle and creak(?) and shift poorly. If the seller has kept it clean and sparkly, he has probably kept it full of oil and been reasonably cautious while offroading. If the seller allows it to become very dirty, he has probably not change the oil, and been overly rough with his equipment. "Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message news:pt26h01ltkih2hm0ai842gt8044vp00v1q@4ax.com... > So what do you tell newbie to look for that indicates an abused vehicle. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches, > >the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The > >front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag > >link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at > >all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase. > >I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back. > > > >Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so > >hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that > >weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ... > > > > > > > > > > > >"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message > >news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. . > >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is > >abused, > >> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-) > >> > > >> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an > >> >indicator of one that should be thrown back. > >> > >> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a > >few > >> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. > ><lol> > >> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably > >negotiate > >> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) > >You > >> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little > >concerned > >> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it > >> good.." > >> > >> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't > >get > >> anything. > >> > >> Dean > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message > >> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. . > >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> <snip> > >> >> > >> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a > >> >look at, > >> >> >or are there other clues? > >> >> > >> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for > >the > >> >axle > >> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the > >> >shiny > >> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates > >and > >> >general > >> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the > >top > >> >part > >> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you > >look > >> >at the > >> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square > >> >inch that > >> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g> > >> >> > >> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or > >use > >> >your > >> >> knowledge to get a better price. > >> >> > >> >> Dean > >> > > >> > > > |
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