Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is abused,
>indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>
>It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>indicator of one that should be thrown back.

Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a few
dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. <lol>
Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably negotiate
$500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) You
could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little concerned
about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
good.."

The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't get
anything.

Dean

>
>
>"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>look at,
>> >or are there other clues?
>>
>> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for the
>axle
>> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>shiny
>> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates and
>general
>> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the top
>part
>> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you look
>at the
>> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>inch that
>> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>>
>> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or use
>your
>> knowledge to get a better price.
>>
>> Dean
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is abused,
>indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>
>It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>indicator of one that should be thrown back.

Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a few
dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. <lol>
Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably negotiate
$500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) You
could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little concerned
about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
good.."

The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't get
anything.

Dean

>
>
>"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>look at,
>> >or are there other clues?
>>
>> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for the
>axle
>> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>shiny
>> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates and
>general
>> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the top
>part
>> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you look
>at the
>> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>inch that
>> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>>
>> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or use
>your
>> knowledge to get a better price.
>>
>> Dean
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is abused,
>indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>
>It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>indicator of one that should be thrown back.

Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a few
dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents. <lol>
Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably negotiate
$500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-) You
could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little concerned
about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
good.."

The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't get
anything.

Dean

>
>
>"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>look at,
>> >or are there other clues?
>>
>> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for the
>axle
>> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>shiny
>> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates and
>general
>> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the top
>part
>> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you look
>at the
>> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>inch that
>> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>>
>> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or use
>your
>> knowledge to get a better price.
>>
>> Dean
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.

Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...





"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
abused,
> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
> >
> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>
> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
few
> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
<lol>
> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
negotiate
> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
You
> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
concerned
> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
> good.."
>
> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
get
> anything.
>
> Dean
>
> >
> >
> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
> >look at,
> >> >or are there other clues?
> >>
> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
the
> >axle
> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
> >shiny
> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
and
> >general
> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
top
> >part
> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
look
> >at the
> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
> >inch that
> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
> >>
> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
use
> >your
> >> knowledge to get a better price.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.

Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...





"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
abused,
> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
> >
> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>
> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
few
> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
<lol>
> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
negotiate
> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
You
> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
concerned
> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
> good.."
>
> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
get
> anything.
>
> Dean
>
> >
> >
> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
> >look at,
> >> >or are there other clues?
> >>
> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
the
> >axle
> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
> >shiny
> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
and
> >general
> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
top
> >part
> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
look
> >at the
> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
> >inch that
> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
> >>
> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
use
> >your
> >> knowledge to get a better price.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.

Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...





"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
abused,
> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
> >
> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>
> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
few
> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
<lol>
> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
negotiate
> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
You
> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
concerned
> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
> good.."
>
> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
get
> anything.
>
> Dean
>
> >
> >
> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
> >look at,
> >> >or are there other clues?
> >>
> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
the
> >axle
> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
> >shiny
> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
and
> >general
> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
top
> >part
> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
look
> >at the
> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
> >inch that
> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
> >>
> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
use
> >your
> >> knowledge to get a better price.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.

Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...





"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
abused,
> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
> >
> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>
> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
few
> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
<lol>
> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
negotiate
> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
You
> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
concerned
> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
> good.."
>
> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
get
> anything.
>
> Dean
>
> >
> >
> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
> >look at,
> >> >or are there other clues?
> >>
> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
the
> >axle
> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
> >shiny
> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
and
> >general
> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
top
> >part
> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
look
> >at the
> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
> >inch that
> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
> >>
> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
use
> >your
> >> knowledge to get a better price.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

I leaned a good lesson from a friend many years ago about negotiating. Always
ask for a discount off the "best" price. Always ask for first class service at
discount prices. Always ask for more. You never get what you don't ask for and
the worst thing they'll say is no. He was the only person I've known that
would go to used car lots to haggle prices, for fun. He'd have no intention of
buying the car, he just wanted to negotiate price, service, extras, interest
rate, etc with the salesmen. More than one person in our group would take him
along when they bought cars so he could handle the "negotiations."

Most Americans are uncomfortable when it comes to negotiating. So more times
than not my friend got what he was asking for simply because he asked. Couple
Americans dislike of negotiating with most peoples lack of knowledge about
vehicles and a dent can save you money, if you ask.

Dean



On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
>the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
>front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
>link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
>all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
>I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.
>
>Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
>hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
>weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...
>
>
>
>
>
>"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
>news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
>abused,
>> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>> >
>> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>>
>> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
>few
>> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
><lol>
>> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
>negotiate
>> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
>You
>> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
>concerned
>> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
>> good.."
>>
>> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
>get
>> anything.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>> >look at,
>> >> >or are there other clues?
>> >>
>> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
>the
>> >axle
>> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>> >shiny
>> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
>and
>> >general
>> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
>top
>> >part
>> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
>look
>> >at the
>> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>> >inch that
>> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>> >>
>> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
>use
>> >your
>> >> knowledge to get a better price.
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >
>>
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

I leaned a good lesson from a friend many years ago about negotiating. Always
ask for a discount off the "best" price. Always ask for first class service at
discount prices. Always ask for more. You never get what you don't ask for and
the worst thing they'll say is no. He was the only person I've known that
would go to used car lots to haggle prices, for fun. He'd have no intention of
buying the car, he just wanted to negotiate price, service, extras, interest
rate, etc with the salesmen. More than one person in our group would take him
along when they bought cars so he could handle the "negotiations."

Most Americans are uncomfortable when it comes to negotiating. So more times
than not my friend got what he was asking for simply because he asked. Couple
Americans dislike of negotiating with most peoples lack of knowledge about
vehicles and a dent can save you money, if you ask.

Dean



On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
>the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
>front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
>link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
>all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
>I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.
>
>Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
>hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
>weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...
>
>
>
>
>
>"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
>news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
>abused,
>> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>> >
>> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>>
>> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
>few
>> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
><lol>
>> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
>negotiate
>> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
>You
>> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
>concerned
>> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
>> good.."
>>
>> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
>get
>> anything.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>> >look at,
>> >> >or are there other clues?
>> >>
>> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
>the
>> >axle
>> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>> >shiny
>> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
>and
>> >general
>> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
>top
>> >part
>> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
>look
>> >at the
>> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>> >inch that
>> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>> >>
>> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
>use
>> >your
>> >> knowledge to get a better price.
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >
>>
>

Re: Dana 44 in TJ question
 

I leaned a good lesson from a friend many years ago about negotiating. Always
ask for a discount off the "best" price. Always ask for first class service at
discount prices. Always ask for more. You never get what you don't ask for and
the worst thing they'll say is no. He was the only person I've known that
would go to used car lots to haggle prices, for fun. He'd have no intention of
buying the car, he just wanted to negotiate price, service, extras, interest
rate, etc with the salesmen. More than one person in our group would take him
along when they bought cars so he could handle the "negotiations."

Most Americans are uncomfortable when it comes to negotiating. So more times
than not my friend got what he was asking for simply because he asked. Couple
Americans dislike of negotiating with most peoples lack of knowledge about
vehicles and a dent can save you money, if you ask.

Dean



On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:42:09 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My CJ is covered with sakid plates. I have them on all four spring perches,
>the rear diff, the gas tank, the trans/tcase, and even on the oil pan. The
>front diff doesn't need a skid plate because it is protected by the drag
>link. Anyway, every skid plate I own is bent, and I have no hesitation at
>all in presenting my Jeep as one that anybody should be willing to purchase.
>I have no hesitation that it will take me out and bring me back.
>
>Nobody is getting a dime from me for the dents and scrapes that I worked so
>hard to accumulate.:-) My Jeep has a couple of dents in the body that
>weren't there when I bought it, but that's life on the trail ...
>
>
>
>
>
>"Dean" <Jeep_TJ.removethis@hotmail.dot.com > wrote in message
>news:7h83h05epl9jnjh1vlrrbrvdj3qetkh7bk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:33 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just because the skid plates are dented does not mean the vehicle is
>abused,
>> >indeed it only means it is loved. ;-)
>> >
>> >It is good to look underneath, but finding a couple of dents is not an
>> >indicator of one that should be thrown back.
>>
>> Agreed, any Jeep that is driven like a real Jeep, (ie off road) will get a
>few
>> dents on the under carriage. But my bud's goes WELL beyond a few dents.
><lol>
>> Besides 99.99% of Jeep owners don't have a clue. You could probably
>negotiate
>> $500 off a cream puff for a dent in the transfer case skid plate. ;-)
>You
>> could tell the seller "You know I like your Jeep, but I'm a little
>concerned
>> about the hidden damage. How about we cut $500 from the price and call it
>> good.."
>>
>> The worst thing they could say is no, besides if you don't ask you won't
>get
>> anything.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
>> >news:iin0h0lh9062dtqsihhlh7bi54u6r97jkf@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:15:43 GMT, "HardwareLust" <no0ne@nowhere.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> >Am I reduced to crawling underneath each and every Jeep that I take a
>> >look at,
>> >> >or are there other clues?
>> >>
>> >> Looking under used Jeeps is highly recommended. Besides looking for
>the
>> >axle
>> >> type, look for sighs of abuse. Most sellers will clean and polish the
>> >shiny
>> >> stuff till it sparkles, but it is hard to hide bashed in skid plates
>and
>> >general
>> >> under carriage carnage. Case in point is a good friend that keeps the
>top
>> >part
>> >> of his Jeep sparkling. There is hardly a scratch on it, but if you
>look
>> >at the
>> >> under carriage it tells the story of a wild man. There isn't a square
>> >inch that
>> >> isn't smashed, scratched, bent or re-welded. <g>
>> >>
>> >> Depending upon your needs you can pass on the nice looking beater, or
>use
>> >your
>> >> knowledge to get a better price.
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >
>>
>