Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
10-16-2003, 08:31 PM
#31
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
Yes, I thought you were talking about Super 35 axles.
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Jeep Guy wrote:
>
> You might have to have a laugh at your own expense here. My Ford 8.8 gears
> measure 8.8 inches (I did have to chuckle a bit at this). This is
> comparable to the 8.5 ring gear on a Dana 44. I had no problem getting an
> ARB that fit in the axle and works just great. It does have an additional
> spider gear for added strength. I can't really comment on the stock carrier
> as I haven't used one, but they put them in Expeditions w/V8s. I would
> think they would be designed to handle the torque from that motor and would
> hold up well.
> Troy
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeep Guy wrote:
>
> You might have to have a laugh at your own expense here. My Ford 8.8 gears
> measure 8.8 inches (I did have to chuckle a bit at this). This is
> comparable to the 8.5 ring gear on a Dana 44. I had no problem getting an
> ARB that fit in the axle and works just great. It does have an additional
> spider gear for added strength. I can't really comment on the stock carrier
> as I haven't used one, but they put them in Expeditions w/V8s. I would
> think they would be designed to handle the torque from that motor and would
> hold up well.
> Troy
10-17-2003, 12:01 AM
#32
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I won't bother replying to one of the posts but the c-clip is NOT the weak
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
10-17-2003, 12:01 AM
#33
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I won't bother replying to one of the posts but the c-clip is NOT the weak
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
10-17-2003, 12:01 AM
#34
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I won't bother replying to one of the posts but the c-clip is NOT the weak
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
spot on the Ford 8.8... since it is behind the splined portion that passes
through the gear case. The c-clip drawback is NOT weakness of the c-clip
itself, the c-clip design is only a bad design for wheelers since the axle
will slide out if the axle shaft breaks. The design drawback with the
c-clip is NOT weakness, it is simply the axle will not be retained if it
breaks. There is nothing to retain a c-clipped axle if the axle shaft
breaks... but the c-clip itself does not break, it is the axle shaft that
breaks which causes the problem. In no way does the c-clip contribute to
axle shaft weakness because its groove for the c-clip is behind (again)
where the splined axle shaft passes through the carrier... so there is no
stress on the c-clip portion of the axle shaft.
Replacing the 8.8's c-clip with the c-clip eliminator kit is ONLY
recommended for racing applications... the overall c-clip eliminator design
is STRONGLY not recommended for offroading, it is only designed for and
recommended for racing applications.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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"Jeep Guy" <jeep_guyNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in message
news:votpaor2h66hc8@corp.supernews.com...
> No disrespect to you Bill, but while changing out the axle is it VERY
simple
> to convert this axle to a clipless design. Check summit, jegs, moser
> engineering, etc. It is a matter of just pressing on a bearing and
bolting
> it on to the axle housing. Moser can also provide you any bolt pattern
you
> would like, if you decided to replace the front as well. I'd recommend
them
> for any axle work, as they were very helpful with me.
> Troy
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8ED9BF.74D7720D@***.net...
> > Hi Brent,
> > Don't waste you money doing the super 35 kit. The Ford 8.8 is still
> > a C clip, weak link. YJ upgrade link to Dana 44 from:
> > http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/convaxle/d44.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
>
10-17-2003, 08:54 AM
#38
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I am going to take the advice here and do the Ford 8.8 swap. A couple
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html
10-17-2003, 08:54 AM
#39
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Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I am going to take the advice here and do the Ford 8.8 swap. A couple
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html
10-17-2003, 08:54 AM
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: Dana 35 Upgrades/Swapping
I am going to take the advice here and do the Ford 8.8 swap. A couple
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html
of reasons for this..
1) The Ford 8.8 is much easier to find than the matching Dana 44.
2) I found one locally with 4.10 gears for around $400, is that about
right?
3) Rear disc brakes.
4) MORE makes all the adapters to do the swap.
5) The Ford 8.8 is about 120% stronger than the Dana 35, and just a
little stronger than the Dana 44.
I estimated that after buying the axle and adapters, the total cost
will be around $700, not too bad.
These are some Ford 8.8 swap links I found..
http://members.***.net/rough-riders/...8/ford8_8.html
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/Ford8.8/97.html
And here is the one for MORE in case anyone is interested.
http://www.mountainoffroad.com/
I'll post an update after the swap, thanks for the advice everyone.
-Brent Bogrees
'89 Jeep Wrangler YJ 2.5L TBI – 33x10.5 BFG MT's
'94 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L – 31x10.5 BFG AT's
http://www.chrr.ohio-state.edu/~bogrees/html/Jeep.html