Billy Ray

A lot of people also have the mistaken assumption that dealer service
departments are staffed with mechanics. Most have one mechanic and 10-15
"technicians."

As for specialty shops (in this case a frame and axle shop) they only stay
in business because they have a reputation to bale to handle any problem
quickly. Good dealerships subcontract to speciality shops for difficult
repairs.

How do you identify a good specialty shop?

1. The place will be dirty, no... it will be filthy. The cleanest the shop
has ever been was during construction.
2. The boss will look like he just lost a wrestling match in the grease pit
and he is the cleanest one there.
3. Standard headgear advertises chewing tobacco or farm machinery
4. Mechanical equipment you have never seen before is hanging from the
walls, and much of it looks custom made.
5. The other guys waiting around are mechanics from other garages



"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
>I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service writer
>and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly immune to the
>temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor repair if they think
>they can get away with it.
>
> Jerry
>
> Peter Pontbriand wrote:
>> Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this morning,
>> and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion bearing
>> preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
>> because
>> there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
>> parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping in a
>> known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to pay
>> for
>> the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of my
>> precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair bill
>> anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
>> feeling right now.
>>
>> /Peter
>>
>> "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
>> news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
>>
>>>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
>>>think
>>>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no big
>>>deal.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Earle Horton

Rotf, lmao! But true.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9528$42dfc64b$4831337f$8541@FUSE.NET...
> A lot of people also have the mistaken assumption that dealer service
> departments are staffed with mechanics. Most have one mechanic and 10-15
> "technicians."
>
> As for specialty shops (in this case a frame and axle shop) they only stay
> in business because they have a reputation to bale to handle any problem
> quickly. Good dealerships subcontract to speciality shops for difficult
> repairs.
>
> How do you identify a good specialty shop?
>
> 1. The place will be dirty, no... it will be filthy. The cleanest the
shop
> has ever been was during construction.
> 2. The boss will look like he just lost a wrestling match in the grease
pit
> and he is the cleanest one there.
> 3. Standard headgear advertises chewing tobacco or farm machinery
> 4. Mechanical equipment you have never seen before is hanging from the
> walls, and much of it looks custom made.
> 5. The other guys waiting around are mechanics from other garages
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> >I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
writer
> >and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly immune to
the
> >temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor repair if they think
> >they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >> Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
morning,
> >> and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
bearing
> >> preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> >> because
> >> there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> >> parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping in
a
> >> known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> >> for
> >> the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
my
> >> precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
bill
> >> anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> >> feeling right now.
> >>
> >> /Peter
> >>
> >> "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> >> news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> >>
> >>>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> >>>think
> >>>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> >>>deal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Earle Horton

Rotf, lmao! But true.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9528$42dfc64b$4831337f$8541@FUSE.NET...
> A lot of people also have the mistaken assumption that dealer service
> departments are staffed with mechanics. Most have one mechanic and 10-15
> "technicians."
>
> As for specialty shops (in this case a frame and axle shop) they only stay
> in business because they have a reputation to bale to handle any problem
> quickly. Good dealerships subcontract to speciality shops for difficult
> repairs.
>
> How do you identify a good specialty shop?
>
> 1. The place will be dirty, no... it will be filthy. The cleanest the
shop
> has ever been was during construction.
> 2. The boss will look like he just lost a wrestling match in the grease
pit
> and he is the cleanest one there.
> 3. Standard headgear advertises chewing tobacco or farm machinery
> 4. Mechanical equipment you have never seen before is hanging from the
> walls, and much of it looks custom made.
> 5. The other guys waiting around are mechanics from other garages
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> >I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
writer
> >and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly immune to
the
> >temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor repair if they think
> >they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >> Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
morning,
> >> and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
bearing
> >> preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> >> because
> >> there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> >> parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping in
a
> >> known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> >> for
> >> the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
my
> >> precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
bill
> >> anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> >> feeling right now.
> >>
> >> /Peter
> >>
> >> "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> >> news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> >>
> >>>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> >>>think
> >>>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> >>>deal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Earle Horton

Rotf, lmao! But true.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9528$42dfc64b$4831337f$8541@FUSE.NET...
> A lot of people also have the mistaken assumption that dealer service
> departments are staffed with mechanics. Most have one mechanic and 10-15
> "technicians."
>
> As for specialty shops (in this case a frame and axle shop) they only stay
> in business because they have a reputation to bale to handle any problem
> quickly. Good dealerships subcontract to speciality shops for difficult
> repairs.
>
> How do you identify a good specialty shop?
>
> 1. The place will be dirty, no... it will be filthy. The cleanest the
shop
> has ever been was during construction.
> 2. The boss will look like he just lost a wrestling match in the grease
pit
> and he is the cleanest one there.
> 3. Standard headgear advertises chewing tobacco or farm machinery
> 4. Mechanical equipment you have never seen before is hanging from the
> walls, and much of it looks custom made.
> 5. The other guys waiting around are mechanics from other garages
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> >I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
writer
> >and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly immune to
the
> >temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor repair if they think
> >they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >> Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
morning,
> >> and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
bearing
> >> preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> >> because
> >> there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> >> parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping in
a
> >> known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> >> for
> >> the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
my
> >> precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
bill
> >> anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> >> feeling right now.
> >>
> >> /Peter
> >>
> >> "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> >> news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> >>
> >>>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> >>>think
> >>>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> >>>deal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Earle Horton

Rotf, lmao! But true.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9528$42dfc64b$4831337f$8541@FUSE.NET...
> A lot of people also have the mistaken assumption that dealer service
> departments are staffed with mechanics. Most have one mechanic and 10-15
> "technicians."
>
> As for specialty shops (in this case a frame and axle shop) they only stay
> in business because they have a reputation to bale to handle any problem
> quickly. Good dealerships subcontract to speciality shops for difficult
> repairs.
>
> How do you identify a good specialty shop?
>
> 1. The place will be dirty, no... it will be filthy. The cleanest the
shop
> has ever been was during construction.
> 2. The boss will look like he just lost a wrestling match in the grease
pit
> and he is the cleanest one there.
> 3. Standard headgear advertises chewing tobacco or farm machinery
> 4. Mechanical equipment you have never seen before is hanging from the
> walls, and much of it looks custom made.
> 5. The other guys waiting around are mechanics from other garages
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> >I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
writer
> >and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly immune to
the
> >temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor repair if they think
> >they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> >> Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
morning,
> >> and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
bearing
> >> preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> >> because
> >> there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> >> parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping in
a
> >> known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> >> for
> >> the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
my
> >> precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
bill
> >> anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> >> feeling right now.
> >>
> >> /Peter
> >>
> >> "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> >> news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> >>
> >>>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> >>>think
> >>>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> >>>deal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Peter Pontbriand

Apparently all the bearings in the diff are shot, because "they had metal
run through them", because the "pinion was too tight". I'm going to demand
to have the old bearings back before leaving the place.

/Peter

"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:QvOdncBVUKCPXkLfRVn-3Q@storm.ca...
> Sound advice, and I would have done so, if there were an axle shop
anywhere
> around here. Are you sure the service writers and managers are all
> commissioned in Ontario, Canada?
>
> /Peter
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> > I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
> > writer and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly
> > immune to the temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor
> > repair if they think they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
> morning,
> > > and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
> bearing
> > > preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> because
> > > there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> > > parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping
in
> a
> > > known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> for
> > > the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
> my
> > > precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
> bill
> > > anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> > > feeling right now.
> > >
> > > /Peter
> > >
> > > "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> > > news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> > >
> > >>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> think
> > >>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> > >>deal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Peter Pontbriand

Apparently all the bearings in the diff are shot, because "they had metal
run through them", because the "pinion was too tight". I'm going to demand
to have the old bearings back before leaving the place.

/Peter

"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:QvOdncBVUKCPXkLfRVn-3Q@storm.ca...
> Sound advice, and I would have done so, if there were an axle shop
anywhere
> around here. Are you sure the service writers and managers are all
> commissioned in Ontario, Canada?
>
> /Peter
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> > I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
> > writer and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly
> > immune to the temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor
> > repair if they think they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
> morning,
> > > and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
> bearing
> > > preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> because
> > > there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> > > parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping
in
> a
> > > known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> for
> > > the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
> my
> > > precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
> bill
> > > anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> > > feeling right now.
> > >
> > > /Peter
> > >
> > > "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> > > news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> > >
> > >>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> think
> > >>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> > >>deal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Peter Pontbriand

Apparently all the bearings in the diff are shot, because "they had metal
run through them", because the "pinion was too tight". I'm going to demand
to have the old bearings back before leaving the place.

/Peter

"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:QvOdncBVUKCPXkLfRVn-3Q@storm.ca...
> Sound advice, and I would have done so, if there were an axle shop
anywhere
> around here. Are you sure the service writers and managers are all
> commissioned in Ontario, Canada?
>
> /Peter
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> > I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
> > writer and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly
> > immune to the temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor
> > repair if they think they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
> morning,
> > > and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
> bearing
> > > preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> because
> > > there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> > > parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping
in
> a
> > > known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> for
> > > the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
> my
> > > precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
> bill
> > > anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> > > feeling right now.
> > >
> > > /Peter
> > >
> > > "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> > > news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> > >
> > >>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> think
> > >>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> > >>deal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Peter Pontbriand

Apparently all the bearings in the diff are shot, because "they had metal
run through them", because the "pinion was too tight". I'm going to demand
to have the old bearings back before leaving the place.

/Peter

"Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
news:QvOdncBVUKCPXkLfRVn-3Q@storm.ca...
> Sound advice, and I would have done so, if there were an axle shop
anywhere
> around here. Are you sure the service writers and managers are all
> commissioned in Ontario, Canada?
>
> /Peter
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:v1PDe.18559$Eo.13241@fed1read04...
> > I would have taken it to an axle shop, not the dealer. The service
> > writer and service manager are commissioned and they're not exactly
> > immune to the temptation to jack up the cost of an otherwise minor
> > repair if they think they can get away with it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Peter Pontbriand wrote:
> > > Well, I just got a call from the dealer where I took the GC this
> morning,
> > > and of course they now insist that they can't just set the pinion
> bearing
> > > preload like they agreed to, they have to take the entire diff apart
> because
> > > there are "internal problems". The revised estimate is for 6.5 hours +
> > > parts. Naturally, this completely defeats the purpose of my swapping
in
> a
> > > known good axle (still under warranty), which was to avoid having to
pay
> for
> > > the bearings in the original to be replaced. After spending so much of
> my
> > > precious time on this, then being forced to cover a monstrous repair
> bill
> > > anyway, I don't know any swear words sufficient to express the way I'm
> > > feeling right now.
> > >
> > > /Peter
> > >
> > > "Peter Pontbriand" <TRIMsprocketATstormDOTcaTRIM> wrote in message
> > > news:Kc-dnXNuYJppo0DfRVn-gg@storm.ca...
> > >
> > >>I made an appointment with the Jeep dealer in the city who seemed to
> think
> > >>resetting the pinion bearing preload because of a yoke change was no
big
> > >>deal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>