Bill: There is no grazing there now. If you live near Anza you might have
heard the story of the canyons stolen wild horses. Up until this summer
there was a herd of about 35 wild horse living in the top part of the
canyon. It appears the park manager made a deal with a well-known local
snake oil salesman to round them up and take them for personal property.
Considerable local anger existed but the park policy now is to remove all
non indigenous livestock.

I have not been down the canyon this year yet and would like some company.
We really should organize a weekend ride spending Saturday night at the
Willows for a BBQ.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8494E3.F415982E@***.net...
> Bummer! I thought I heard somewhere they were planning to open it
> up, as it definitely a treat to drive the length, knowing you're
> following the foot steps of Anza. Maybe, it's good that it's closed, as
> I remember the farmers graze their cattle there, but I'll say again, the
> Jeepers today have really missed a treat.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
> >
> > This post originally entitled "Coyote Canyon now Open to Desert Floor"
was
> > perhaps deceptive in its title as it has led to confusion and if indeed
I am
> > at fault I apologize for my lack of exactness. Loving the Coyote Canyon
run
> > as much as I do, not solely because of its local to my own habitat, but
for
> > its archaeological and historical significance, its geographical and
> > geological beauty, its unique riparian habitats, its demanding trail,
its
> > elevation changes of over 4000' and its vistas of plains stretching into
> > Mexico framed by the Santa Rosa mountains, its versified array of cacti
and
> > the possibility of fatal collision with pronghorn sheep whose demise
might
> > open the Willows wetland to some good mud jeeping, I will take the
effort
> > here to expand on my post taking pains to be more clear and coherent.
> >
> > Coyote Canyon is within the Peninsular Ranges geomorphic province
controlled
> > by the San Jacinto fault. The creek bed that follows the fault separates
the
> > San Ysidro and the Santa Rosa mountain ranges. The canyon extends 36
miles
> > North-West from Borrego Springs, a town in the center of Borrego Springs
> > State Park in San Diego County to Anza in Riverside County.
> >
> > Three clusters (as Jeff said) of desert willow, know as Lower, Middle
and
> > Upper Willows are found along the year-round Coyote Creek in the central
of
> > the canyon. California fan palms, cottonwoods, mesquite and acacia are
also
> > abundant. The route along the creek bed is not static. Summer floods
> > dramatically alter the shape and route of the road near the Willows and
over
> > the rugged side trail into Collins Valley. A 3.1 mile segment of the
road
> > between Upper and Middle Willows is permanently closed to vehicles. Also
the
> > North-West (top) half of the canyon above the Willows is closed to all
users
> > (even hiking Sierra Club members) from June 1 to September 30. My post
> > specifically related to the northern part of the canyon from Upper
Willows
> > to Anza. Because of the closures noted above this trail is only
accessible
> > from Anza and then only from October 1 thru the end of May. It is this
> > section that opened just last week. I am sorry if I led some to think
the
> > 3.1 miles Willows section was open. It is not.
> >
> > A benefit of the closure of the Willows is to have completely stopped
thru
> > traffic. Before the Willows was closed a "round trip" existed from
Borrego
> > Springs to Warner Springs, Aguanga, Anza and back to Borrego Springs.
Also
> > visitors to Borrego Springs coming from Palm Springs might use this
route
> > and at one time this Jeep trail was maintained and passable by pickup
truck.
> > Today not only is the road not maintained the park service seem to
> > discourage passage and do not repair even major washouts. This makes the
> > trail demanding and deserted. Points of interest along the trail include
The
> > Anza Monument, Nance Canyon, Turkey Track Canyon, Tule Canyon, Horse
Canyon,
> > Alder Canyon, Fig Tree Valley and Bailey's Cabin. Bailey's cabin is
restored
> > and is kept stocked by visiting Jeep groups with emergency food supplies
for
> > persons who get stranded. The Anza monument honors Juan Bautista de Anza
the
> > Spanish captain of the epic 1775 expedition from Mexico to San Francisco
who
> > was the first non-native to pass through the canyon as well as being the
> > first European to enter California by land. The name "Borrego" of course
is
> > Spanish for sheep and the combined name "Anza-Borrego" probably relates
to
> > the lack of women Anza took with him on his journey. Today, thankfully
we
> > have Jeep chicks.
> >
> > I hope this clarifies the situation.

 

Bill: There is no grazing there now. If you live near Anza you might have
heard the story of the canyons stolen wild horses. Up until this summer
there was a herd of about 35 wild horse living in the top part of the
canyon. It appears the park manager made a deal with a well-known local
snake oil salesman to round them up and take them for personal property.
Considerable local anger existed but the park policy now is to remove all
non indigenous livestock.

I have not been down the canyon this year yet and would like some company.
We really should organize a weekend ride spending Saturday night at the
Willows for a BBQ.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8494E3.F415982E@***.net...
> Bummer! I thought I heard somewhere they were planning to open it
> up, as it definitely a treat to drive the length, knowing you're
> following the foot steps of Anza. Maybe, it's good that it's closed, as
> I remember the farmers graze their cattle there, but I'll say again, the
> Jeepers today have really missed a treat.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
> >
> > This post originally entitled "Coyote Canyon now Open to Desert Floor"
was
> > perhaps deceptive in its title as it has led to confusion and if indeed
I am
> > at fault I apologize for my lack of exactness. Loving the Coyote Canyon
run
> > as much as I do, not solely because of its local to my own habitat, but
for
> > its archaeological and historical significance, its geographical and
> > geological beauty, its unique riparian habitats, its demanding trail,
its
> > elevation changes of over 4000' and its vistas of plains stretching into
> > Mexico framed by the Santa Rosa mountains, its versified array of cacti
and
> > the possibility of fatal collision with pronghorn sheep whose demise
might
> > open the Willows wetland to some good mud jeeping, I will take the
effort
> > here to expand on my post taking pains to be more clear and coherent.
> >
> > Coyote Canyon is within the Peninsular Ranges geomorphic province
controlled
> > by the San Jacinto fault. The creek bed that follows the fault separates
the
> > San Ysidro and the Santa Rosa mountain ranges. The canyon extends 36
miles
> > North-West from Borrego Springs, a town in the center of Borrego Springs
> > State Park in San Diego County to Anza in Riverside County.
> >
> > Three clusters (as Jeff said) of desert willow, know as Lower, Middle
and
> > Upper Willows are found along the year-round Coyote Creek in the central
of
> > the canyon. California fan palms, cottonwoods, mesquite and acacia are
also
> > abundant. The route along the creek bed is not static. Summer floods
> > dramatically alter the shape and route of the road near the Willows and
over
> > the rugged side trail into Collins Valley. A 3.1 mile segment of the
road
> > between Upper and Middle Willows is permanently closed to vehicles. Also
the
> > North-West (top) half of the canyon above the Willows is closed to all
users
> > (even hiking Sierra Club members) from June 1 to September 30. My post
> > specifically related to the northern part of the canyon from Upper
Willows
> > to Anza. Because of the closures noted above this trail is only
accessible
> > from Anza and then only from October 1 thru the end of May. It is this
> > section that opened just last week. I am sorry if I led some to think
the
> > 3.1 miles Willows section was open. It is not.
> >
> > A benefit of the closure of the Willows is to have completely stopped
thru
> > traffic. Before the Willows was closed a "round trip" existed from
Borrego
> > Springs to Warner Springs, Aguanga, Anza and back to Borrego Springs.
Also
> > visitors to Borrego Springs coming from Palm Springs might use this
route
> > and at one time this Jeep trail was maintained and passable by pickup
truck.
> > Today not only is the road not maintained the park service seem to
> > discourage passage and do not repair even major washouts. This makes the
> > trail demanding and deserted. Points of interest along the trail include
The
> > Anza Monument, Nance Canyon, Turkey Track Canyon, Tule Canyon, Horse
Canyon,
> > Alder Canyon, Fig Tree Valley and Bailey's Cabin. Bailey's cabin is
restored
> > and is kept stocked by visiting Jeep groups with emergency food supplies
for
> > persons who get stranded. The Anza monument honors Juan Bautista de Anza
the
> > Spanish captain of the epic 1775 expedition from Mexico to San Francisco
who
> > was the first non-native to pass through the canyon as well as being the
> > first European to enter California by land. The name "Borrego" of course
is
> > Spanish for sheep and the combined name "Anza-Borrego" probably relates
to
> > the lack of women Anza took with him on his journey. Today, thankfully
we
> > have Jeep chicks.
> >
> > I hope this clarifies the situation.

 

So when are we going Jeff, Jerry, Pete, others? (any place actually) The
season is upon us. We need to plan something enough in advance to make sure
everyone can come.
KH

" drinking beer and smoking cigars until 2:00AM
is a large part of rock crawling."

 

So when are we going Jeff, Jerry, Pete, others? (any place actually) The
season is upon us. We need to plan something enough in advance to make sure
everyone can come.
KH

" drinking beer and smoking cigars until 2:00AM
is a large part of rock crawling."

 

So when are we going Jeff, Jerry, Pete, others? (any place actually) The
season is upon us. We need to plan something enough in advance to make sure
everyone can come.
KH

" drinking beer and smoking cigars until 2:00AM
is a large part of rock crawling."

 

I probably would have been wearing a white shirt, black skinny tie and a
pocket protector if I were in my prime in the sixties. NASA was booming back
then, our space program sux now.
KH

"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f83d652.40838572@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey,
etc.,
> >etc. back in '67 and '68,
>
> With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
> of time in Haight-Ashbury.
> Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
> :-)
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

 

I probably would have been wearing a white shirt, black skinny tie and a
pocket protector if I were in my prime in the sixties. NASA was booming back
then, our space program sux now.
KH

"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f83d652.40838572@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey,
etc.,
> >etc. back in '67 and '68,
>
> With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
> of time in Haight-Ashbury.
> Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
> :-)
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

 

I probably would have been wearing a white shirt, black skinny tie and a
pocket protector if I were in my prime in the sixties. NASA was booming back
then, our space program sux now.
KH

"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f83d652.40838572@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey,
etc.,
> >etc. back in '67 and '68,
>
> With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
> of time in Haight-Ashbury.
> Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
> :-)
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

 

http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qEehb.50275$gv5.44552@fed1read05...
> So when are we going Jeff, Jerry, Pete, others? (any place actually) The
> season is upon us. We need to plan something enough in advance to make
sure
> everyone can come.

I'm rather anxious to do something like that with you and those names Kevin.
:)

Jerry
--
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at

> KH
>
> " drinking beer and smoking cigars until 2:00AM
> is a large part of rock crawling."
>
>
>
>
>

 

http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qEehb.50275$gv5.44552@fed1read05...
> So when are we going Jeff, Jerry, Pete, others? (any place actually) The
> season is upon us. We need to plan something enough in advance to make
sure
> everyone can come.

I'm rather anxious to do something like that with you and those names Kevin.
:)

Jerry
--
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at

> KH
>
> " drinking beer and smoking cigars until 2:00AM
> is a large part of rock crawling."
>
>
>
>
>