Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

I'm just happy that I not only was there, but that I remember the '60's! As
Richard Pryor once said, "Man, there's stuff out there now that'll scare the
$#!t out of penicillin!"

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8386CD.B68441A9@cox.net...
> I'm still wondering why I didn't take advantage of the free love,
> like if we weren't with the one we loved, we were supposed to love the
> one we're with. And we surely didn't have AIDS to worry about.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey,
etc.,
> > etc. back in '67 and '68, hey ALL the chicks looked good back then, plus
the
> > best part, they didn't mind being called "chicks"!!!

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

Yup, too bad what ever it was, got him. I'm reminded of Robin
Williams' "If you remember the sixties, you weren't really there."
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> I'm just happy that I not only was there, but that I remember the '60's! As
> Richard Pryor once said, "Man, there's stuff out there now that'll scare the
> $#!t out of penicillin!"

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

Yup, too bad what ever it was, got him. I'm reminded of Robin
Williams' "If you remember the sixties, you weren't really there."
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> I'm just happy that I not only was there, but that I remember the '60's! As
> Richard Pryor once said, "Man, there's stuff out there now that'll scare the
> $#!t out of penicillin!"

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

Yup, too bad what ever it was, got him. I'm reminded of Robin
Williams' "If you remember the sixties, you weren't really there."
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> I'm just happy that I not only was there, but that I remember the '60's! As
> Richard Pryor once said, "Man, there's stuff out there now that'll scare the
> $#!t out of penicillin!"

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey, etc.,
>etc. back in '67 and '68,

With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
of time in Haight-Ashbury.
Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
:-)

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey, etc.,
>etc. back in '67 and '68,

With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
of time in Haight-Ashbury.
Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
:-)

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:24:18 -0600, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:

>As a former hippie rock musician who played the Fillmore, the Whiskey, etc.,
>etc. back in '67 and '68,

With who? I've been to the Fillmore and the Whiskey and spent a lot
of time in Haight-Ashbury.
Do I know you...and more to the point, would I remember it if I did?
:-)

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

"Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LlKgb.2082$dn6.1179@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The Middle Willows is still permanently closed to motor vehicles. The
trail
> I am talking about is only accessible from Anza. The gate I mention is the
> entrance gate in Anza that is only open October thru spring.
>
> While it would be nice to be able to make the round trip of Anza, Coyote
> Canyon, Borrego Springs, Warner Springs, Aguanga and back to Anza there is
> one big advantage in the Willows being closed: It makes the trail very
quiet
> and unspoiled because the Anza access from the north is not only the only
> way in and out with a Jeep it is also difficult. I have been there mid
week
> and been the only person there in thousands of square acres.


I get it, I thought you were saying the trail was open from Anza to the
desert floor, but it is only open to the Middle Willows. It is open from the
top down, and from the bottom up, but it is closed in the middle. I'm here
now ...





> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vo5vbuk51og46f@corp.supernews.com...
> > My humble suggestion is to start at the bottom of the canyon on the
desert
> > floor and make your way up the canyon to Anza.
> >
> > The Anza Borrego Desert State Park offers abundant desert camping. The
> route
> > throught Coyote Canyon has long been closed to protect the Big Horn
Sheep
> > habitat that the route passes through. The route was closed seasonally
> from
> > June through September for many years, but in about '97 or '98 it was
> closed
> > year around. The entire route was not closed, only the section known as
> the
> > Middle Willows was closed. The Middle Willows is virtually the only
water
> > source for the sheep herds for many miles. The closure only affected
motor
> > vehicles, bikes and hikers were still allowed to traverse the canyon.
> Motor
> > vehicles could go up from the bottom and down from the top, but could
not
> > pass through the Middle Willows. There are three willow along the
canyon,
> > Lower, Middle, and Upper. The middle has by far the largest amount of
> water,
> > and is the most remote of the three sites. The protection effort was to
> keep
> > vehicles out of the area so that the lambs would not be frightened away
> from
> > the only water source for miles around. The seasonal closures worked
very
> > well, but the tree huggers lobbied for and got a year around closure. A
> > problem quickly developed, the vehicles kept the willows thinned out,
and
> > the lambs could get to the water, but the year around closure that
blocked
> > the vehicles quickly allowed the area to become so overgrown that people
> > walking had extreme difficulty in getting through. The lambs have the
same
> > problem, they can not reach the water because the brush has become so
> > envasive and dense.
> >
> > Mike Stevens seems to be saying that the trail is open now, but the last
> > time I was there, there was a locked gate in January. I am not arguing
> what
> > Mike is reporting, but what he is saying is counter to what I have come
to
> > know about the area. Clearly, I could be the wrong party with outdated
> > information.
> >
> > The trail was, in Bill's day, passable with 2WD. In the mid to late
'90s,
> > the trail above the Lower Willows was washed away by floods, and (I
think)
> > damaged by a land slide caused by an earthquake. The Park Service went
in
> > and created a Bypass (actual name of the section of trail) that is a
> > boulder-strewn section of steep grade. It definitely takes 4WD to get
> > through today, and some 4WDs will get stuck to the point of spending
> quality
> > time on the end of a winch cable, but I digress. I have not been past
the
> > Middle Willows, so I am not familiar with the section(s) above that
point.
> > If I was gonna run Coyote Canyon, I think I would tent camp in the
desert,
> > and make the run up the canyon and exit in Anza. Mike suggests starting
in
> > Anza, but he lives there, so his view is understandable. The commute
back
> to
> > civilization from Anza is slightely easier than the commute from
Borrego,
> > but getting into Borrego to camp can be a long drive. Basically, I think
> it
> > takes about 6 hours to go through the canyon one way, with stops to
smell
> > the cacti along the way. If I am right, it would be a rather long day to
> > make the trip twice, and it is about 80 miles on the highway from Anza
to
> > Borrego Springs, so parking the motorhome at either the top of the
bottom
> of
> > the canyon will lead to an hour or so of driving to get back to it after
> > making the run through the canyon.
> >
> > Visitors from the San Diego area can easily make the trip from home and
> not
> > spend th enight camping, but drinking beer and smoking cigars until
2:00AM
> > is a large part of rock crawling. Make your way to Borrego Springs. From
> the
> > traffic circle in the middle of town, porceed out of town on the road
that
> > goes to the Salton Sea. go about a mile or two to Di Gigorigio (or
> similar),
> > and turn LEFT. Proceed to the end of the pavement where the entrance to
> the
> > park is. Follow the only route that is there, and you will eventually
come
> > out in Anza along Highway 341 between Highways 79 and 74.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:mR4gb.4052$Qy2.2076@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > Been hibernating with house projects and visitors this summer but
Coyote
> > > Canyon from Anza (California) at 4000' down to the desert floor is now
> > open.
> > > It shuts in the summer for Pronghorn sheep breeding. One of the best
> rides
> > > around so I'll be back there soon and would be happy to meet many of
you
> > on
> > > the trail.
> > >
> > > If you are in southern California I urge you check this out.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike Stevens
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

"Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LlKgb.2082$dn6.1179@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The Middle Willows is still permanently closed to motor vehicles. The
trail
> I am talking about is only accessible from Anza. The gate I mention is the
> entrance gate in Anza that is only open October thru spring.
>
> While it would be nice to be able to make the round trip of Anza, Coyote
> Canyon, Borrego Springs, Warner Springs, Aguanga and back to Anza there is
> one big advantage in the Willows being closed: It makes the trail very
quiet
> and unspoiled because the Anza access from the north is not only the only
> way in and out with a Jeep it is also difficult. I have been there mid
week
> and been the only person there in thousands of square acres.


I get it, I thought you were saying the trail was open from Anza to the
desert floor, but it is only open to the Middle Willows. It is open from the
top down, and from the bottom up, but it is closed in the middle. I'm here
now ...





> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vo5vbuk51og46f@corp.supernews.com...
> > My humble suggestion is to start at the bottom of the canyon on the
desert
> > floor and make your way up the canyon to Anza.
> >
> > The Anza Borrego Desert State Park offers abundant desert camping. The
> route
> > throught Coyote Canyon has long been closed to protect the Big Horn
Sheep
> > habitat that the route passes through. The route was closed seasonally
> from
> > June through September for many years, but in about '97 or '98 it was
> closed
> > year around. The entire route was not closed, only the section known as
> the
> > Middle Willows was closed. The Middle Willows is virtually the only
water
> > source for the sheep herds for many miles. The closure only affected
motor
> > vehicles, bikes and hikers were still allowed to traverse the canyon.
> Motor
> > vehicles could go up from the bottom and down from the top, but could
not
> > pass through the Middle Willows. There are three willow along the
canyon,
> > Lower, Middle, and Upper. The middle has by far the largest amount of
> water,
> > and is the most remote of the three sites. The protection effort was to
> keep
> > vehicles out of the area so that the lambs would not be frightened away
> from
> > the only water source for miles around. The seasonal closures worked
very
> > well, but the tree huggers lobbied for and got a year around closure. A
> > problem quickly developed, the vehicles kept the willows thinned out,
and
> > the lambs could get to the water, but the year around closure that
blocked
> > the vehicles quickly allowed the area to become so overgrown that people
> > walking had extreme difficulty in getting through. The lambs have the
same
> > problem, they can not reach the water because the brush has become so
> > envasive and dense.
> >
> > Mike Stevens seems to be saying that the trail is open now, but the last
> > time I was there, there was a locked gate in January. I am not arguing
> what
> > Mike is reporting, but what he is saying is counter to what I have come
to
> > know about the area. Clearly, I could be the wrong party with outdated
> > information.
> >
> > The trail was, in Bill's day, passable with 2WD. In the mid to late
'90s,
> > the trail above the Lower Willows was washed away by floods, and (I
think)
> > damaged by a land slide caused by an earthquake. The Park Service went
in
> > and created a Bypass (actual name of the section of trail) that is a
> > boulder-strewn section of steep grade. It definitely takes 4WD to get
> > through today, and some 4WDs will get stuck to the point of spending
> quality
> > time on the end of a winch cable, but I digress. I have not been past
the
> > Middle Willows, so I am not familiar with the section(s) above that
point.
> > If I was gonna run Coyote Canyon, I think I would tent camp in the
desert,
> > and make the run up the canyon and exit in Anza. Mike suggests starting
in
> > Anza, but he lives there, so his view is understandable. The commute
back
> to
> > civilization from Anza is slightely easier than the commute from
Borrego,
> > but getting into Borrego to camp can be a long drive. Basically, I think
> it
> > takes about 6 hours to go through the canyon one way, with stops to
smell
> > the cacti along the way. If I am right, it would be a rather long day to
> > make the trip twice, and it is about 80 miles on the highway from Anza
to
> > Borrego Springs, so parking the motorhome at either the top of the
bottom
> of
> > the canyon will lead to an hour or so of driving to get back to it after
> > making the run through the canyon.
> >
> > Visitors from the San Diego area can easily make the trip from home and
> not
> > spend th enight camping, but drinking beer and smoking cigars until
2:00AM
> > is a large part of rock crawling. Make your way to Borrego Springs. From
> the
> > traffic circle in the middle of town, porceed out of town on the road
that
> > goes to the Salton Sea. go about a mile or two to Di Gigorigio (or
> similar),
> > and turn LEFT. Proceed to the end of the pavement where the entrance to
> the
> > park is. Follow the only route that is there, and you will eventually
come
> > out in Anza along Highway 341 between Highways 79 and 74.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:mR4gb.4052$Qy2.2076@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > Been hibernating with house projects and visitors this summer but
Coyote
> > > Canyon from Anza (California) at 4000' down to the desert floor is now
> > open.
> > > It shuts in the summer for Pronghorn sheep breeding. One of the best
> rides
> > > around so I'll be back there soon and would be happy to meet many of
you
> > on
> > > the trail.
> > >
> > > If you are in southern California I urge you check this out.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike Stevens
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: Coyote Canyon from Anza to Desert Floor now Open
 

"Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LlKgb.2082$dn6.1179@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> The Middle Willows is still permanently closed to motor vehicles. The
trail
> I am talking about is only accessible from Anza. The gate I mention is the
> entrance gate in Anza that is only open October thru spring.
>
> While it would be nice to be able to make the round trip of Anza, Coyote
> Canyon, Borrego Springs, Warner Springs, Aguanga and back to Anza there is
> one big advantage in the Willows being closed: It makes the trail very
quiet
> and unspoiled because the Anza access from the north is not only the only
> way in and out with a Jeep it is also difficult. I have been there mid
week
> and been the only person there in thousands of square acres.


I get it, I thought you were saying the trail was open from Anza to the
desert floor, but it is only open to the Middle Willows. It is open from the
top down, and from the bottom up, but it is closed in the middle. I'm here
now ...





> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vo5vbuk51og46f@corp.supernews.com...
> > My humble suggestion is to start at the bottom of the canyon on the
desert
> > floor and make your way up the canyon to Anza.
> >
> > The Anza Borrego Desert State Park offers abundant desert camping. The
> route
> > throught Coyote Canyon has long been closed to protect the Big Horn
Sheep
> > habitat that the route passes through. The route was closed seasonally
> from
> > June through September for many years, but in about '97 or '98 it was
> closed
> > year around. The entire route was not closed, only the section known as
> the
> > Middle Willows was closed. The Middle Willows is virtually the only
water
> > source for the sheep herds for many miles. The closure only affected
motor
> > vehicles, bikes and hikers were still allowed to traverse the canyon.
> Motor
> > vehicles could go up from the bottom and down from the top, but could
not
> > pass through the Middle Willows. There are three willow along the
canyon,
> > Lower, Middle, and Upper. The middle has by far the largest amount of
> water,
> > and is the most remote of the three sites. The protection effort was to
> keep
> > vehicles out of the area so that the lambs would not be frightened away
> from
> > the only water source for miles around. The seasonal closures worked
very
> > well, but the tree huggers lobbied for and got a year around closure. A
> > problem quickly developed, the vehicles kept the willows thinned out,
and
> > the lambs could get to the water, but the year around closure that
blocked
> > the vehicles quickly allowed the area to become so overgrown that people
> > walking had extreme difficulty in getting through. The lambs have the
same
> > problem, they can not reach the water because the brush has become so
> > envasive and dense.
> >
> > Mike Stevens seems to be saying that the trail is open now, but the last
> > time I was there, there was a locked gate in January. I am not arguing
> what
> > Mike is reporting, but what he is saying is counter to what I have come
to
> > know about the area. Clearly, I could be the wrong party with outdated
> > information.
> >
> > The trail was, in Bill's day, passable with 2WD. In the mid to late
'90s,
> > the trail above the Lower Willows was washed away by floods, and (I
think)
> > damaged by a land slide caused by an earthquake. The Park Service went
in
> > and created a Bypass (actual name of the section of trail) that is a
> > boulder-strewn section of steep grade. It definitely takes 4WD to get
> > through today, and some 4WDs will get stuck to the point of spending
> quality
> > time on the end of a winch cable, but I digress. I have not been past
the
> > Middle Willows, so I am not familiar with the section(s) above that
point.
> > If I was gonna run Coyote Canyon, I think I would tent camp in the
desert,
> > and make the run up the canyon and exit in Anza. Mike suggests starting
in
> > Anza, but he lives there, so his view is understandable. The commute
back
> to
> > civilization from Anza is slightely easier than the commute from
Borrego,
> > but getting into Borrego to camp can be a long drive. Basically, I think
> it
> > takes about 6 hours to go through the canyon one way, with stops to
smell
> > the cacti along the way. If I am right, it would be a rather long day to
> > make the trip twice, and it is about 80 miles on the highway from Anza
to
> > Borrego Springs, so parking the motorhome at either the top of the
bottom
> of
> > the canyon will lead to an hour or so of driving to get back to it after
> > making the run through the canyon.
> >
> > Visitors from the San Diego area can easily make the trip from home and
> not
> > spend th enight camping, but drinking beer and smoking cigars until
2:00AM
> > is a large part of rock crawling. Make your way to Borrego Springs. From
> the
> > traffic circle in the middle of town, porceed out of town on the road
that
> > goes to the Salton Sea. go about a mile or two to Di Gigorigio (or
> similar),
> > and turn LEFT. Proceed to the end of the pavement where the entrance to
> the
> > park is. Follow the only route that is there, and you will eventually
come
> > out in Anza along Highway 341 between Highways 79 and 74.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Stevens" <michaelhowardstevens@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:mR4gb.4052$Qy2.2076@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > Been hibernating with house projects and visitors this summer but
Coyote
> > > Canyon from Anza (California) at 4000' down to the desert floor is now
> > open.
> > > It shuts in the summer for Pronghorn sheep breeding. One of the best
> rides
> > > around so I'll be back there soon and would be happy to meet many of
you
> > on
> > > the trail.
> > >
> > > If you are in southern California I urge you check this out.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike Stevens
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>