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Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote: > >> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig >> and I'll put it on the website. > > Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now. You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) I don't keep records. http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format to save some space. Should be compatible with all current readers. -- DougW |
Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote: > >> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig >> and I'll put it on the website. > > Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now. You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) I don't keep records. http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format to save some space. Should be compatible with all current readers. -- DougW |
Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> DougW wrote: > >> Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig >> and I'll put it on the website. > > Will do, Doug; it's on the way to you now. You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) I don't keep records. http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format to save some space. Should be compatible with all current readers. -- DougW |
Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) > I don't keep records. I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very interesting things. > http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ > > Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format > to save some space. Should be compatible > with all current readers. It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting. |
Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) > I don't keep records. I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very interesting things. > http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ > > Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format > to save some space. Should be compatible > with all current readers. It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting. |
Re: Coolant suprise
DougW wrote:
> You didn't need to use an anonymizer. :) > I don't keep records. I didn't. I'm using SeaMonkey, which allows me to do some very interesting things. > http://www.revbeergoggles.com/coolants/ > > Converted it to pure 7.0 Acrobat format > to save some space. Should be compatible > with all current readers. It works great with my vintage v5.0 version. Thanks for posting. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Thanks!
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:UdOdnTCsfcmEhOfYnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Carl wrote: > >> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com. > > It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Thanks!
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:UdOdnTCsfcmEhOfYnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Carl wrote: > >> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com. > > It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Thanks!
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:UdOdnTCsfcmEhOfYnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Carl wrote: > >> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com. > > It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading. |
What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff? Tomes "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > sounds like a good investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >> Cool. >> >> Earle >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with >> IAT >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> coolant >>> has better corrosion protection. >>> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> Original >>> brand in the white jug. >>> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>> factory >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> warranty >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> that >>> > I >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>> > coolant >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>> > in >>> > the >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>> > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> manufacturers >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>> > Even >>> > the >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>> > propietary formula too. >>> > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>> > Walmart >> is >>> > the same as Dexcool. >>> > >>> > Earle >>> > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >> meet >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >>> >> a >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>> >> HOAT >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>> >> technology >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>> > Consequently, >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>> > coolants >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >> may >>> > not >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>> > recommendation >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>> >> manufacturer.... >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>> >> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >> and >>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>> > hexanoate, >>> >> > and >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >> that >>> >> > "-oate" >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >>> >> >> > tell >>> >> > you, >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >> made >>> >> >> > for >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price >> in >>> > the >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>> >> >> > writing >>> >> > down >>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>> >> >> ever-popular >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >> put >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> 3-yr. >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>> >> > "compatible >>> > with >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >>> > stuff, >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>> >> > changing >>> > the >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>> >> > green >>> >> > stuff, >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>> >> > except >>> >> > for >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >> and >>> >> > a >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks. >>> >> > >>> >> > Earle >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > |
What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff? Tomes "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > sounds like a good investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >> Cool. >> >> Earle >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with >> IAT >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> coolant >>> has better corrosion protection. >>> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> Original >>> brand in the white jug. >>> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>> factory >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> warranty >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> that >>> > I >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>> > coolant >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>> > in >>> > the >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>> > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> manufacturers >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>> > Even >>> > the >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>> > propietary formula too. >>> > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>> > Walmart >> is >>> > the same as Dexcool. >>> > >>> > Earle >>> > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >> meet >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >>> >> a >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>> >> HOAT >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>> >> technology >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>> > Consequently, >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>> > coolants >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >> may >>> > not >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>> > recommendation >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>> >> manufacturer.... >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>> >> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >> and >>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>> > hexanoate, >>> >> > and >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >> that >>> >> > "-oate" >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >>> >> >> > tell >>> >> > you, >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >> made >>> >> >> > for >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price >> in >>> > the >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>> >> >> > writing >>> >> > down >>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>> >> >> ever-popular >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >> put >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> 3-yr. >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>> >> > "compatible >>> > with >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >>> > stuff, >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>> >> > changing >>> > the >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>> >> > green >>> >> > stuff, >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>> >> > except >>> >> > for >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >> and >>> >> > a >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks. >>> >> > >>> >> > Earle >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > |
What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the
old stuff? Tomes "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > sounds like a good investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >> Cool. >> >> Earle >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with >> IAT >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> coolant >>> has better corrosion protection. >>> >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> Original >>> brand in the white jug. >>> >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>> factory >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> warranty >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> that >>> > I >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>> > coolant >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>> > in >>> > the >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>> > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> manufacturers >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>> > Even >>> > the >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>> > propietary formula too. >>> > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>> > Walmart >> is >>> > the same as Dexcool. >>> > >>> > Earle >>> > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >> meet >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >>> >> a >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>> >> HOAT >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>> >> technology >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>> > Consequently, >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>> > coolants >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >> may >>> > not >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>> > recommendation >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>> >> manufacturer.... >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>> >> >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >> and >>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>> > hexanoate, >>> >> > and >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >> that >>> >> > "-oate" >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >>> >> >> > tell >>> >> > you, >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >> made >>> >> >> > for >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price >> in >>> > the >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>> >> >> > writing >>> >> > down >>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>> >> >> ever-popular >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >> put >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> 3-yr. >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>> >> > "compatible >>> > with >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >>> > stuff, >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>> >> > changing >>> > the >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>> >> > green >>> >> > stuff, >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>> >> > except >>> >> > for >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >> and >>> >> > a >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks. >>> >> > >>> >> > Earle >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Tomes wrote:
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Tomes wrote:
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Tomes wrote:
> So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages will have it listed under hazardous waste. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages will have it listed under hazardous waste. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Ditto.
If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages will have it listed under hazardous waste. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to
the gas station. "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than >> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC >> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it >> sounds like a good investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >>> Cool. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory >>>> with >>> IAT >>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >>> coolant >>>> has better corrosion protection. >>>> >>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >>> Original >>>> brand in the white jug. >>>> >>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>>> factory >>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >>> warranty >>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >>> that >>>> > I >>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>>> > coolant >>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>>> > in >>>> > the >>>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>>> > >>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >>> manufacturers >>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>>> > Even >>>> > the >>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>>> > propietary formula too. >>>> > >>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>>> > Walmart >>> is >>>> > the same as Dexcool. >>>> > >>>> > Earle >>>> > >>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >>> meet >>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. >>>> >> If a >>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>>> >> HOAT >>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>>> >> technology >>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>>> > Consequently, >>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a >>>> >> universal >>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>>> > coolants >>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >>> may >>>> > not >>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>>> > recommendation >>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>>> >> manufacturer.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>>> >> >>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >>> and >>>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>>> > hexanoate, >>>> >> > and >>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >>> that >>>> >> > "-oate" >>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon >>>> >> >> > can >>>> >> >> > tell >>>> >> > you, >>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >>> made >>>> >> >> > for >>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest >>>> >> >> > price >>> in >>>> > the >>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>>> >> >> > writing >>>> >> > down >>>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>>> >> >> ever-popular >>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >>> put >>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >>> 3-yr. >>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>>> >> > "compatible >>>> > with >>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the >>>> >> > Zerex >>>> > stuff, >>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>>> >> > changing >>>> > the >>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>>> >> > green >>>> >> > stuff, >>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>>> >> > except >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >>> and >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Thanks. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Earle >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to
the gas station. "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than >> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC >> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it >> sounds like a good investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >>> Cool. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory >>>> with >>> IAT >>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >>> coolant >>>> has better corrosion protection. >>>> >>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >>> Original >>>> brand in the white jug. >>>> >>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>>> factory >>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >>> warranty >>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >>> that >>>> > I >>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>>> > coolant >>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>>> > in >>>> > the >>>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>>> > >>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >>> manufacturers >>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>>> > Even >>>> > the >>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>>> > propietary formula too. >>>> > >>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>>> > Walmart >>> is >>>> > the same as Dexcool. >>>> > >>>> > Earle >>>> > >>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >>> meet >>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. >>>> >> If a >>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>>> >> HOAT >>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>>> >> technology >>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>>> > Consequently, >>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a >>>> >> universal >>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>>> > coolants >>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >>> may >>>> > not >>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>>> > recommendation >>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>>> >> manufacturer.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>>> >> >>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >>> and >>>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>>> > hexanoate, >>>> >> > and >>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >>> that >>>> >> > "-oate" >>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon >>>> >> >> > can >>>> >> >> > tell >>>> >> > you, >>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >>> made >>>> >> >> > for >>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest >>>> >> >> > price >>> in >>>> > the >>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>>> >> >> > writing >>>> >> > down >>>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>>> >> >> ever-popular >>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >>> put >>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >>> 3-yr. >>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>>> >> > "compatible >>>> > with >>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the >>>> >> > Zerex >>>> > stuff, >>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>>> >> > changing >>>> > the >>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>>> >> > green >>>> >> > stuff, >>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>>> >> > except >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >>> and >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Thanks. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Earle >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to
the gas station. "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than >> the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC >> discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it >> sounds like a good investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? >>> Cool. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >>>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory >>>> with >>> IAT >>>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >>> coolant >>>> has better corrosion protection. >>>> >>>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >>> Original >>>> brand in the white jug. >>>> >>>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the >>>> factory >>>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >>> warranty >>>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >>> that >>>> > I >>>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >>>> > coolant >>>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >>>> > in >>>> > the >>>> > owner's manual, ¿no? >>>> > >>>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >>> manufacturers >>>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >>>> > Even >>>> > the >>>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >>>> > propietary formula too. >>>> > >>>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in >>>> > Walmart >>> is >>>> > the same as Dexcool. >>>> > >>>> > Earle >>>> > >>>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >>>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot >>> meet >>>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. >>>> >> If a >>>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >>>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM >>>> >> HOAT >>>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >>>> >> technology >>>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >>>> > Consequently, >>>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a >>>> >> universal >>>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >>>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >>>> > coolants >>>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant >>> may >>>> > not >>>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >>>> > recommendation >>>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >>>> >> manufacturer.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >>>> >> >>>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), >>> and >>>> >> HOAT (G-05) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >>>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >>>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >>>> > hexanoate, >>>> >> > and >>>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry >>> that >>>> >> > "-oate" >>>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon >>>> >> >> > can >>>> >> >> > tell >>>> >> > you, >>>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, >>> made >>>> >> >> > for >>>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest >>>> >> >> > price >>> in >>>> > the >>>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >>>> >> >> > writing >>>> >> > down >>>> >> >> > the ingredients. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >>>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >>>> >> >> ever-popular >>>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >>>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you >>> put >>>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >>> 3-yr. >>>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >>>> >> > "compatible >>>> > with >>>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the >>>> >> > Zerex >>>> > stuff, >>>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >>>> >> > changing >>>> > the >>>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the >>>> >> > green >>>> >> > stuff, >>>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, >>>> >> > except >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff >>> and >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Thanks. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Earle >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Most municipal sewer districts allow small amounts (personal use) to be
poured down the drain as it breaks down rapidly to harmless components. Call your local sewer department for local info. I probably would not pour it into a septic tank or cesspool. It can be landfilled at appropriate facilities.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457DFBF3.925D3AD0@cox.net... > Ditto. > If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages > will have it listed under hazardous waste. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Outatime wrote: >> >> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is >> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems >> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use >> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local >> hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Most municipal sewer districts allow small amounts (personal use) to be
poured down the drain as it breaks down rapidly to harmless components. Call your local sewer department for local info. I probably would not pour it into a septic tank or cesspool. It can be landfilled at appropriate facilities.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457DFBF3.925D3AD0@cox.net... > Ditto. > If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages > will have it listed under hazardous waste. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Outatime wrote: >> >> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is >> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems >> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use >> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local >> hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
Most municipal sewer districts allow small amounts (personal use) to be
poured down the drain as it breaks down rapidly to harmless components. Call your local sewer department for local info. I probably would not pour it into a septic tank or cesspool. It can be landfilled at appropriate facilities.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457DFBF3.925D3AD0@cox.net... > Ditto. > If you feel like paying to have it disposed of, your Yellow Pages > will have it listed under hazardous waste. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Outatime wrote: >> >> I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is >> acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems >> prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use >> the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local >> hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
That's a huge NO, NO. Usually their storage is well marked,
prohibiting coolant. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ John wrote: > > Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to > the gas station. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
That's a huge NO, NO. Usually their storage is well marked,
prohibiting coolant. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ John wrote: > > Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to > the gas station. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
That's a huge NO, NO. Usually their storage is well marked,
prohibiting coolant. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ John wrote: > > Not sure if your supposed to, but i mix it with my used oil and bring it to > the gas station. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
That would be the city sanitary sewer system which is OK, not the storm
sewer drain out in the street. All your toilets, sink drains, and floor drains inside your house go to the sanitary sewer system, and it is ok to dispose of old coolant in those drains. Tom "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:QrmdnQCqBKWIX-DYnZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@softcom.net... > Tomes wrote: > > > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > > old stuff? > > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
That would be the city sanitary sewer system which is OK, not the storm
sewer drain out in the street. All your toilets, sink drains, and floor drains inside your house go to the sanitary sewer system, and it is ok to dispose of old coolant in those drains. Tom "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:QrmdnQCqBKWIX-DYnZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@softcom.net... > Tomes wrote: > > > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > > old stuff? > > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant?
That would be the city sanitary sewer system which is OK, not the storm
sewer drain out in the street. All your toilets, sink drains, and floor drains inside your house go to the sanitary sewer system, and it is ok to dispose of old coolant in those drains. Tom "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:QrmdnQCqBKWIX-DYnZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@softcom.net... > Tomes wrote: > > > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > > old stuff? > > > I dispose of it down the sewer system; local officials tell me this is > acceptable - check with yours if you want to do this. (Some systems > prefer you don't as it can diminsh aerobic bacterial functions.) I use > the garage sink to avoid splashing. You can also take it to any local > hazmat facility, usually for free. |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of 50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators, some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new fittings. The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system. With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern automotive engine. If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled antifreeze. Earle "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > > Jeep. > > > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > > years so maybe.... > > > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > > rather be safe than sorry. > > > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > > sounds like a good investment. > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > >> Cool. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > >> IAT > >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > >> coolant > >>> has better corrosion protection. > >>> > >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > >> Original > >>> brand in the white jug. > >>> > >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > >>> factory > >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >>> > >>> > >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > >> warranty > >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > >> that > >>> > I > >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >>> > coolant > >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >>> > in > >>> > the > >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >>> > > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > >> manufacturers > >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >>> > Even > >>> > the > >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >>> > propietary formula too. > >>> > > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > >>> > Walmart > >> is > >>> > the same as Dexcool. > >>> > > >>> > Earle > >>> > > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > >> meet > >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >>> >> a > >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > >>> >> HOAT > >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >>> >> technology > >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >>> > Consequently, > >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >>> > coolants > >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > >> may > >>> > not > >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >>> > recommendation > >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >>> >> manufacturer.... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >>> >> > >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > >> and > >>> >> HOAT (G-05) > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >>> > hexanoate, > >>> >> > and > >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > >> that > >>> >> > "-oate" > >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >>> >> >> > tell > >>> >> > you, > >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > >> made > >>> >> >> > for > >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > >> in > >>> > the > >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >>> >> >> > writing > >>> >> > down > >>> >> >> > the ingredients. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >>> >> >> ever-popular > >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > >> put > >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > >> 3-yr. > >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >>> >> > "compatible > >>> > with > >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >>> > stuff, > >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >>> >> > changing > >>> > the > >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > >>> >> > green > >>> >> > stuff, > >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > >>> >> > except > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > >> and > >>> >> > a > >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Thanks. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Earle > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of 50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators, some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new fittings. The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system. With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern automotive engine. If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled antifreeze. Earle "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > > Jeep. > > > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > > years so maybe.... > > > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > > rather be safe than sorry. > > > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > > sounds like a good investment. > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > >> Cool. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > >> IAT > >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > >> coolant > >>> has better corrosion protection. > >>> > >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > >> Original > >>> brand in the white jug. > >>> > >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > >>> factory > >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >>> > >>> > >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > >> warranty > >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > >> that > >>> > I > >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >>> > coolant > >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >>> > in > >>> > the > >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >>> > > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > >> manufacturers > >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >>> > Even > >>> > the > >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >>> > propietary formula too. > >>> > > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > >>> > Walmart > >> is > >>> > the same as Dexcool. > >>> > > >>> > Earle > >>> > > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > >> meet > >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >>> >> a > >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > >>> >> HOAT > >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >>> >> technology > >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >>> > Consequently, > >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >>> > coolants > >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > >> may > >>> > not > >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >>> > recommendation > >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >>> >> manufacturer.... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >>> >> > >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > >> and > >>> >> HOAT (G-05) > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >>> > hexanoate, > >>> >> > and > >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > >> that > >>> >> > "-oate" > >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >>> >> >> > tell > >>> >> > you, > >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > >> made > >>> >> >> > for > >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > >> in > >>> > the > >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >>> >> >> > writing > >>> >> > down > >>> >> >> > the ingredients. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >>> >> >> ever-popular > >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > >> put > >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > >> 3-yr. > >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >>> >> > "compatible > >>> > with > >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >>> > stuff, > >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >>> >> > changing > >>> > the > >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > >>> >> > green > >>> >> > stuff, > >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > >>> >> > except > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > >> and > >>> >> > a > >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Thanks. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Earle > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: What do you do with your old coolant? (was: Coolant suprise)
I put it in a 55 gallon drum I have in the basement, and save it for topping
up the hydronic heating system in my house. I have about 100 gallons of 50/50 mix in the heating system, which uses old style cast iron radiators, some of them pretty big. I live where it can get to 40º below zero at night, and sometimes I have to leave the house for extended periods in the winter, so I cannot afford to drain the system as other people do, or to have it freeze up as the previous owners did. Once you let pipes freeze with water in them, they get bigger and it is a bear to thread them into new fittings. The previous owners, and most people who have these types of systems, put raw water in them. It turns black with time, but the corrosion isn't too bad, if you don't drain the system that often. Copper and even iron are relatively forgiving, as long as fresh oxygen never gets into the system. With the antifreeze I filled it with, I figure corrosion is just about halted. The coolant only comes into contact with black iron, brass and copper, so there isn't nearly the corrosion danger that there is in a modern automotive engine. If you turn your antifreeze in to a legitimate recycling center, they purify the glycol, probably by distillation, put some more corrosion inhibitors in it, and resell it to you, or more likely to fleet buyers of recycled antifreeze. Earle "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message news:yrifh.9269$1s6.4975@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > So all of you folks that change your own coolant - what do you do with the > old stuff? > Tomes > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > > Jeep. > > > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > > years so maybe.... > > > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > > rather be safe than sorry. > > > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > > the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC > > discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it > > sounds like a good investment. > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > >> Cool. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >>> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > >> IAT > >>> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > >> coolant > >>> has better corrosion protection. > >>> > >>> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > >> Original > >>> brand in the white jug. > >>> > >>> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > >>> factory > >>> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >>> > >>> > >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > >> warranty > >>> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > >> that > >>> > I > >>> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >>> > coolant > >>> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >>> > in > >>> > the > >>> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >>> > > >>> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > >> manufacturers > >>> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >>> > Even > >>> > the > >>> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >>> > propietary formula too. > >>> > > >>> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > >>> > Walmart > >> is > >>> > the same as Dexcool. > >>> > > >>> > Earle > >>> > > >>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >>> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >>> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > >> meet > >>> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >>> >> a > >>> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >>> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > >>> >> HOAT > >>> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >>> >> technology > >>> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >>> > Consequently, > >>> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >>> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >>> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >>> > coolants > >>> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > >> may > >>> > not > >>> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >>> > recommendation > >>> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >>> >> manufacturer.... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >> http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >>> >> > >>> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > >> and > >>> >> HOAT (G-05) > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >>> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >>> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >>> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >>> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >>> > hexanoate, > >>> >> > and > >>> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > >> that > >>> >> > "-oate" > >>> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >>> >> >> > tell > >>> >> > you, > >>> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > >> made > >>> >> >> > for > >>> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > >> in > >>> > the > >>> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >>> >> >> > writing > >>> >> > down > >>> >> >> > the ingredients. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >>> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >>> >> >> ever-popular > >>> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >>> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > >> put > >>> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > >> 3-yr. > >>> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >>> >> > "compatible > >>> > with > >>> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >>> > stuff, > >>> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >>> >> > changing > >>> > the > >>> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > >>> >> > green > >>> >> > stuff, > >>> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > >>> >> > except > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > >> and > >>> >> > a > >>> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Thanks. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Earle > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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