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Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Bill,
I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even the core plug between the block and flywheel. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" > > According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT > inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the > Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. > MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf > > That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first > think. > > On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM > D-4340 > > What are these test you ask... > ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% > concentration > ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization > <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. > > They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application > standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. > > This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes > specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. > > What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC > specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the > new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web > site. > > I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see > the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Bill,
I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even the core plug between the block and flywheel. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" > > According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT > inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the > Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. > MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf > > That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first > think. > > On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM > D-4340 > > What are these test you ask... > ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% > concentration > ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization > <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. > > They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application > standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. > > This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes > specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. > > What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC > specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the > new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web > site. > > I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see > the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Bill,
I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even the core plug between the block and flywheel. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" > > According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT > inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the > Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. > MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf > > That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first > think. > > On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM > D-4340 > > What are these test you ask... > ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% > concentration > ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization > <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. > > They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application > standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. > > This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes > specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. > > What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC > specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the > new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web > site. > > I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see > the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Carl,
I would take a picture of the container, so that with all these Greenies environmentalist new rules you're able to add the correct fluid should a pump or hose fails between intervals: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I just make sure I still have Ethylene Glycol base. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Carl wrote: > > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater hoses > and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. Here's what's > got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it with the tester, it > was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was reasonably green. > Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold jug.. the coolant was > CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the G-05 instead of the > regular prestone? > > Thanks, > > Carl |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Carl,
I would take a picture of the container, so that with all these Greenies environmentalist new rules you're able to add the correct fluid should a pump or hose fails between intervals: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I just make sure I still have Ethylene Glycol base. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Carl wrote: > > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater hoses > and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. Here's what's > got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it with the tester, it > was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was reasonably green. > Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold jug.. the coolant was > CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the G-05 instead of the > regular prestone? > > Thanks, > > Carl |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hi Carl,
I would take a picture of the container, so that with all these Greenies environmentalist new rules you're able to add the correct fluid should a pump or hose fails between intervals: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg I just make sure I still have Ethylene Glycol base. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Carl wrote: > > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater hoses > and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. Here's what's > got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it with the tester, it > was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was reasonably green. > Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold jug.. the coolant was > CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the G-05 instead of the > regular prestone? > > Thanks, > > Carl |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing what "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing what "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing what "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant.
Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing the motor and cooling system. I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574DA3F.334A2EF2@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I wonder if they would rebuild the engine after the head gasket > were eating out by the acid that is made by temperature changes. Or even > the core plug between the block and flywheel. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" >> >> According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT >> inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the >> Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. >> MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf >> >> That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first >> think. >> >> On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM >> D-4340 >> >> What are these test you ask... >> ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% >> concentration >> ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial >> Crystallization >> <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. >> >> They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application >> standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. >> >> This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes >> specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. >> >> What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC >> specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets >> the >> new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web >> site. >> >> I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not >> see >> the forms myself. |
Re: Coolant suprise
You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is completely
clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the minerals rinsed out. Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant concentrate. Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to the aftermarket companies is 4 years... "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new > rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots > of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with > this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's been > through the softener; however considering the softener element is flushed > periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >> >> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >> coverage >> >> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >> actually decreases rapidly >> >> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >> >> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >> >> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>> website. >>>> >>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>> package they use. >>>> >>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>> >>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>> >>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>pale >>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>>> as >>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>> >>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>> color? >>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> >>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>>> will >>>>>> happen: >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>> > heater >>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>> > out. >>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>> > it >>>>> with >>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>> > was >>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Carl >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is completely
clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the minerals rinsed out. Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant concentrate. Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to the aftermarket companies is 4 years... "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new > rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots > of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with > this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's been > through the softener; however considering the softener element is flushed > periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >> >> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >> coverage >> >> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >> actually decreases rapidly >> >> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >> >> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >> >> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>> website. >>>> >>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>> package they use. >>>> >>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>> >>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>> >>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>pale >>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>>> as >>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>> >>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>> color? >>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> >>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>>> will >>>>>> happen: >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>> > heater >>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>> > out. >>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>> > it >>>>> with >>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>> > was >>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Carl >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is completely
clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the minerals rinsed out. Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant concentrate. Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to the aftermarket companies is 4 years... "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new > rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots > of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with > this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's been > through the softener; however considering the softener element is flushed > periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >> >> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >> coverage >> >> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >> actually decreases rapidly >> >> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >> >> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >> >> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>> website. >>>> >>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>> package they use. >>>> >>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>> >>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>> >>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>pale >>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>>> as >>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>> >>>>> Earle >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>> >>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>> color? >>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>> >>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>>> will >>>>>> happen: >>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>> > heater >>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>> > out. >>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>> > it >>>>> with >>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>> > was >>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Carl >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
According to capacities, page seven:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. > I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I > think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the last > time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad was > installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush completely) > I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in > it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can > flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the > softener; however considering the softener element is flushed periodically > with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
According to capacities, page seven:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. > I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I > think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the last > time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad was > installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush completely) > I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in > it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can > flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the > softener; however considering the softener element is flushed periodically > with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
According to capacities, page seven:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. > I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I > think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. > > Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the last > time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad was > installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush completely) > I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in > it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can > flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the > softener; however considering the softener element is flushed periodically > with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. > > I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
Less than 44% offers almost no corrosion and cavatation protection.
"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574d358$0$8287$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > According to capacities, page seven: > http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I > like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >> think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last >> time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad >> was >> installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) >> I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in >> it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can >> flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the >> softener; however considering the softener element is flushed >> periodically >> with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Less than 44% offers almost no corrosion and cavatation protection.
"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574d358$0$8287$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > According to capacities, page seven: > http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I > like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >> think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last >> time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad >> was >> installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) >> I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in >> it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can >> flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the >> softener; however considering the softener element is flushed >> periodically >> with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Less than 44% offers almost no corrosion and cavatation protection.
"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4574d358$0$8287$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > According to capacities, page seven: > http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf It's ten and half quarts. I > like well over fifty percent, but then it doesn't freeze here. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >> think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the > last >> time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad >> was >> installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush > completely) >> I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in >> it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can >> flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the >> softener; however considering the softener element is flushed >> periodically >> with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Somewhere I have a link to glove sales, that tell what chemicals they're
good for. Twenty years ago Arco was the first to add ten percent alcohol, which promptly eat out all the carburetor float needle valve using neoprene. Not word was said about it, only that all the kits use the new compound. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c1f0e$4574e004$422afc51$31522@FUSE.NET... > They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant. > > Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing > the motor and cooling system. > > I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a > Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
Somewhere I have a link to glove sales, that tell what chemicals they're
good for. Twenty years ago Arco was the first to add ten percent alcohol, which promptly eat out all the carburetor float needle valve using neoprene. Not word was said about it, only that all the kits use the new compound. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c1f0e$4574e004$422afc51$31522@FUSE.NET... > They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant. > > Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing > the motor and cooling system. > > I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a > Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
Somewhere I have a link to glove sales, that tell what chemicals they're
good for. Twenty years ago Arco was the first to add ten percent alcohol, which promptly eat out all the carburetor float needle valve using neoprene. Not word was said about it, only that all the kits use the new compound. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:c1f0e$4574e004$422afc51$31522@FUSE.NET... > They would probably refund your money you spent on the coolant. > > Actually you would have to sue them and that would cost more than replacing > the motor and cooling system. > > I've got a picture somewhere showing the remains of a silicone seal from a > Ford V-8 that was dissolved by Prestone... If I find it I'll forward it.. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's an interesting theory, and I am no chemist, but I understand part of > the drive for the new compounds is that they are EPA friendly (as opposed to > environment friendly). There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > You do not always get what you pay for. Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's an interesting theory, and I am no chemist, but I understand part of > the drive for the new compounds is that they are EPA friendly (as opposed to > environment friendly). There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > You do not always get what you pay for. Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> That's an interesting theory, and I am no chemist, but I understand part of > the drive for the new compounds is that they are EPA friendly (as opposed to > environment friendly). There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > You do not always get what you pay for. Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
the pets, and couple of humans: http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=7446&sequence=0 God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), > are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's > been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower > silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even > some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't > know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old > green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This > stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > > Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
the pets, and couple of humans: http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=7446&sequence=0 God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), > are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's > been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower > silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even > some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't > know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old > green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This > stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > > Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
the pets, and couple of humans: http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=7446&sequence=0 God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Outatime wrote: > > There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), > are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's > been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower > silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even > some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't > know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old > green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This > stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > > Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Isn't it a fact of nature that one week after flushing and re-fillling the
system at least one hose is going to spring a leak? On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0500, billy ray wrote: > 3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? > > I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 > coverage > > Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage > actually decreases rapidly > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ > > Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or > scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. > > It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed > with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. > > > > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>> website. >>> >>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>> package they use. >>> >>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>> Zerex in the white jug. >>> >>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>> >>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>pale >>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>> as >>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>> >>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>> color? >>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) 1990 Deere and Company >>>>> vehicles and beyond (green) 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond >>>>> (orange) 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond >>>>> (yellow) 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond >>>>> (yellow) >>>>> >>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>> will >>>>> happen: >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>> > heater hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water >>>>> > came out. Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone >>>>> > checked it >>>> with >>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>> > was reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the >>>>> > Gold jug.. >>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>> > G-05 >>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Coolant suprise
Isn't it a fact of nature that one week after flushing and re-fillling the
system at least one hose is going to spring a leak? On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0500, billy ray wrote: > 3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? > > I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 > coverage > > Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage > actually decreases rapidly > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ > > Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or > scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. > > It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed > with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. > > > > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>> website. >>> >>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>> package they use. >>> >>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>> Zerex in the white jug. >>> >>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>> >>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>pale >>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>> as >>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>> >>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>> color? >>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) 1990 Deere and Company >>>>> vehicles and beyond (green) 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond >>>>> (orange) 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond >>>>> (yellow) 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond >>>>> (yellow) >>>>> >>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>> will >>>>> happen: >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>> > heater hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water >>>>> > came out. Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone >>>>> > checked it >>>> with >>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>> > was reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the >>>>> > Gold jug.. >>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>> > G-05 >>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Coolant suprise
Isn't it a fact of nature that one week after flushing and re-fillling the
system at least one hose is going to spring a leak? On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:27:54 -0500, billy ray wrote: > 3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? > > I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 > coverage > > Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage > actually decreases rapidly > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ > > Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or > scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. > > It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed > with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. > > > > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>> website. >>> >>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>> package they use. >>> >>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>> Zerex in the white jug. >>> >>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big >>> letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets >>> the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>> >>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>pale >>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>> as >>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>> >>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>> color? >>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) 1990 Deere and Company >>>>> vehicles and beyond (green) 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond >>>>> (orange) 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond >>>>> (yellow) 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond >>>>> (yellow) >>>>> >>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>> will >>>>> happen: >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>> > heater hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water >>>>> > came out. Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone >>>>> > checked it >>>> with >>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>> > was reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the >>>>> > Gold jug.. >>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>> > G-05 >>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Coolant suprise
Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker....
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... > You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is > completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the > minerals rinsed out. > > Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant > concentrate. > > Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to > the aftermarket companies is 4 years... > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >> idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>> >>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>> coverage >>> >>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>> actually decreases rapidly >>> >>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>> >>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>> >>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>> website. >>>>> >>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>> package they use. >>>>> >>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>> >>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>> >>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>>pale >>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>> price as >>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>>> color? >>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>> you will >>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>> > it >>>>>> with >>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>> > was >>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker....
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... > You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is > completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the > minerals rinsed out. > > Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant > concentrate. > > Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to > the aftermarket companies is 4 years... > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >> idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>> >>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>> coverage >>> >>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>> actually decreases rapidly >>> >>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>> >>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>> >>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>> website. >>>>> >>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>> package they use. >>>>> >>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>> >>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>> >>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>>pale >>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>> price as >>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>>> color? >>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>> you will >>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>> > it >>>>>> with >>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>> > was >>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker....
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... > You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is > completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the > minerals rinsed out. > > Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant > concentrate. > > Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to > the aftermarket companies is 4 years... > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >> >> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >> idea. >> >> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>> >>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>> coverage >>> >>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>> actually decreases rapidly >>> >>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>> >>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>> >>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>> website. >>>>> >>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>> package they use. >>>>> >>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>> >>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the >>>>> package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>> >>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>>>pale >>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>> price as >>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle >>>>>> >>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>>>> color? >>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>> you will >>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>> > it >>>>>> with >>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>> > was >>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>>>> > G-05 >>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hoses and belts age.... it isn't just mileage..
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:kK-dnZ2TetOD9-jYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker.... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... >> You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is >> completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the >> minerals rinsed out. >> >> Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant >> concentrate. >> >> Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to >> the aftermarket companies is 4 years... >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >>> >>> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >>> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >>> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >>> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >>> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >>> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >>> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >>> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >>> idea. >>> >>> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>>> >>>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>>> coverage >>>> >>>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>>> actually decreases rapidly >>>> >>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>>> >>>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>>> >>>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>>> website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>>> package they use. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list >>>>>> the package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >>>>>>>be pale >>>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>>> price as >>>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >>>>>>>> dye >>>>>>> color? >>>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>>> you will >>>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>>> > was >>>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >>>>>>>> > the G-05 >>>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hoses and belts age.... it isn't just mileage..
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:kK-dnZ2TetOD9-jYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker.... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... >> You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is >> completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the >> minerals rinsed out. >> >> Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant >> concentrate. >> >> Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to >> the aftermarket companies is 4 years... >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >>> >>> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >>> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >>> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >>> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >>> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >>> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >>> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >>> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >>> idea. >>> >>> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>>> >>>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>>> coverage >>>> >>>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>>> actually decreases rapidly >>>> >>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>>> >>>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>>> >>>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>>> website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>>> package they use. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list >>>>>> the package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >>>>>>>be pale >>>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>>> price as >>>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >>>>>>>> dye >>>>>>> color? >>>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>>> you will >>>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>>> > was >>>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >>>>>>>> > the G-05 >>>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Hoses and belts age.... it isn't just mileage..
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:kK-dnZ2TetOD9-jYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker.... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET... >> You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is >> completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the >> minerals rinsed out. >> >> Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant >> concentrate. >> >> Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to >> the aftermarket companies is 4 years... >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >> news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I >>>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. >>> >>> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the >>> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new >>> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush >>> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with >>> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system >>> with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's >>> been through the softener; however considering the softener element is >>> flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad >>> idea. >>> >>> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >>>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? >>>> >>>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 >>>> coverage >>>> >>>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage >>>> actually decreases rapidly >>>> >>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ >>>> >>>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime >>>> or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. >>>> >>>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed >>>> with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >>>>> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>>>>> website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>>>>> package they use. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>>>>> Zerex in the white jug. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use >>>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in >>>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list >>>>>> the package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it >>>>>> meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell >>>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition >>>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >>>>>>>be pale >>>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same >>>>>>> price as >>>>>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >>>>>>>> dye >>>>>>> color? >>>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns >>>>>>>> you will >>>>>>>> happen: >>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>>>>> > heater >>>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came >>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked >>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor >>>>>>>> > was >>>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>>>>> > jug.. >>>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >>>>>>>> > the G-05 >>>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
So how close is this to the no name stuff on the end aisle display at
WalMart? Used to be, that was the same as the green stuff. There is a pretty good chance it is the same as the new stuff now, ¿no? Earle "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:eeidnfyoYtL5aunYnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Earle Horton wrote: > > > That's an interesting theory, and I am no chemist, but I understand part of > > the drive for the new compounds is that they are EPA friendly (as opposed to > > environment friendly). > > There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05), > are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's > been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower > silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even > some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't > know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old > green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This > stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been. > > > You do not always get what you pay for. > > Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine. > |
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