Which coolant?
10-08-2006, 09:54 AM
#31
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Re: Which coolant?
I can't help you with the proper coolant type, but you should be aware
that the system will hold likely 40% of it's volume inside the heater
core and engine block.
This means you will 'already' have a 40% water mix in there when you
start filling it with 'pure' antifreeze.
I always find out what the capacity is from the owners manual and add
half that in pure antifreeze if I want a 50/50 mix. I then top it up
with water. I actually have had 50/50 freeze up here in Ontario Canada
so I prefer 60/40.
Canadian Tire still sells 'green' antifreeze but be careful what you
buy. They now sell it premixed which is 'only' good for topping up, not
filling after a flush. And they charge more for the distilled water in
the premix, then pure antifreeze!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
SBlackfoot wrote:
>
> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
that the system will hold likely 40% of it's volume inside the heater
core and engine block.
This means you will 'already' have a 40% water mix in there when you
start filling it with 'pure' antifreeze.
I always find out what the capacity is from the owners manual and add
half that in pure antifreeze if I want a 50/50 mix. I then top it up
with water. I actually have had 50/50 freeze up here in Ontario Canada
so I prefer 60/40.
Canadian Tire still sells 'green' antifreeze but be careful what you
buy. They now sell it premixed which is 'only' good for topping up, not
filling after a flush. And they charge more for the distilled water in
the premix, then pure antifreeze!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
SBlackfoot wrote:
>
> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
10-08-2006, 03:58 PM
#32
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Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
10-08-2006, 03:58 PM
#33
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Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
10-08-2006, 03:58 PM
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Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
one out of many daves proclaimed:
> If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that
> destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been
> many complaints and lawsuits?
> If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles?
>
> FYI (and maybe urban legend)
> The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to
> pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline
> claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same
> blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend".
> I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably
> turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I
> have not seen this yet...........thank goodness.
> Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any
> other coolant with no ill effects.
> I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill
> effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount
> added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway.
> I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to
> live longer without leaks.
> I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!!
> G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary
> as G12.
>
> NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that
> had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on
> the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also
> corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these
> vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during
> this period.
>
> Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol
>
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
10-14-2006, 12:43 PM
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Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
10-14-2006, 12:43 PM
#36
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Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
10-14-2006, 12:43 PM
#37
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Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm
http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/
I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no
freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I
live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and
I hope never to again. My 2 cents.
>> SBlackfoot wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand
>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is
>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good
>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything
>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant.
>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain
>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm
>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting
>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the
>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense.
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