Now if they would just accessorize with this...

http://www.sprayonmud.com/

it might actually look like a Jeep.

Well, except the IFS would give it away - but then a liberty buyer
probably couldn't spell IFS anyway.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Clap Trap wrote:
>
>>A liberty has a 4wd option?
>>
>>ROTFLMAO.

 

Now if they would just accessorize with this...

http://www.sprayonmud.com/

it might actually look like a Jeep.

Well, except the IFS would give it away - but then a liberty buyer
probably couldn't spell IFS anyway.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Clap Trap wrote:
>
>>A liberty has a 4wd option?
>>
>>ROTFLMAO.

 

Now if they would just accessorize with this...

http://www.sprayonmud.com/

it might actually look like a Jeep.

Well, except the IFS would give it away - but then a liberty buyer
probably couldn't spell IFS anyway.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Clap Trap wrote:
>
>>A liberty has a 4wd option?
>>
>>ROTFLMAO.

 

IMO, get SelecTrac if you want AWD-type performance, i.e., shift it & leave
it. However, keep in mind that SelecTrac does not release the front hubs -
everything spins all the time, even in 2HI. The only thing 4HI does is
engage the front/rear differential and sends some power to the front wheels.
When everything spins, gas mileage generally takes it on the chin,
especially in cold weather-short distance driving. On the other hand, if the
new CommandTracs still work like the older ones, the front hubs and axles
release & stop spinning when in 2HI, giving slightly better gas mileage.
Others may disagree, but I was apalled at the crummy mileage from my XJ with
SelecTrac - ~10-14 mpg - rivaling my old V8 Grand Wagoneer with CommandTrac
which got 10-12 mpg. I also think that in 2HI, The additional resistance of
the spinning front components with SelecTrac has the disadvantage of making
the rear end a little looser in slippery situations than in CommandTrac 2HI.
Maybe this is why my XJ Limited came with a limited slip rear end. [Do all
SelecTracs come with a L-S rear axle?] With a shorter wheelbase vehicle,
this can become an issue rather quickly. So if conditions even look
slippery, I throw it into 4HI since it doesn't really use any more fuel than
when in 2HI.



"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?
>
> TIA
>
>
>

 

IMO, get SelecTrac if you want AWD-type performance, i.e., shift it & leave
it. However, keep in mind that SelecTrac does not release the front hubs -
everything spins all the time, even in 2HI. The only thing 4HI does is
engage the front/rear differential and sends some power to the front wheels.
When everything spins, gas mileage generally takes it on the chin,
especially in cold weather-short distance driving. On the other hand, if the
new CommandTracs still work like the older ones, the front hubs and axles
release & stop spinning when in 2HI, giving slightly better gas mileage.
Others may disagree, but I was apalled at the crummy mileage from my XJ with
SelecTrac - ~10-14 mpg - rivaling my old V8 Grand Wagoneer with CommandTrac
which got 10-12 mpg. I also think that in 2HI, The additional resistance of
the spinning front components with SelecTrac has the disadvantage of making
the rear end a little looser in slippery situations than in CommandTrac 2HI.
Maybe this is why my XJ Limited came with a limited slip rear end. [Do all
SelecTracs come with a L-S rear axle?] With a shorter wheelbase vehicle,
this can become an issue rather quickly. So if conditions even look
slippery, I throw it into 4HI since it doesn't really use any more fuel than
when in 2HI.



"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?
>
> TIA
>
>
>

 

IMO, get SelecTrac if you want AWD-type performance, i.e., shift it & leave
it. However, keep in mind that SelecTrac does not release the front hubs -
everything spins all the time, even in 2HI. The only thing 4HI does is
engage the front/rear differential and sends some power to the front wheels.
When everything spins, gas mileage generally takes it on the chin,
especially in cold weather-short distance driving. On the other hand, if the
new CommandTracs still work like the older ones, the front hubs and axles
release & stop spinning when in 2HI, giving slightly better gas mileage.
Others may disagree, but I was apalled at the crummy mileage from my XJ with
SelecTrac - ~10-14 mpg - rivaling my old V8 Grand Wagoneer with CommandTrac
which got 10-12 mpg. I also think that in 2HI, The additional resistance of
the spinning front components with SelecTrac has the disadvantage of making
the rear end a little looser in slippery situations than in CommandTrac 2HI.
Maybe this is why my XJ Limited came with a limited slip rear end. [Do all
SelecTracs come with a L-S rear axle?] With a shorter wheelbase vehicle,
this can become an issue rather quickly. So if conditions even look
slippery, I throw it into 4HI since it doesn't really use any more fuel than
when in 2HI.



"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?
>
> TIA
>
>
>

 

IMO, get SelecTrac if you want AWD-type performance, i.e., shift it & leave
it. However, keep in mind that SelecTrac does not release the front hubs -
everything spins all the time, even in 2HI. The only thing 4HI does is
engage the front/rear differential and sends some power to the front wheels.
When everything spins, gas mileage generally takes it on the chin,
especially in cold weather-short distance driving. On the other hand, if the
new CommandTracs still work like the older ones, the front hubs and axles
release & stop spinning when in 2HI, giving slightly better gas mileage.
Others may disagree, but I was apalled at the crummy mileage from my XJ with
SelecTrac - ~10-14 mpg - rivaling my old V8 Grand Wagoneer with CommandTrac
which got 10-12 mpg. I also think that in 2HI, The additional resistance of
the spinning front components with SelecTrac has the disadvantage of making
the rear end a little looser in slippery situations than in CommandTrac 2HI.
Maybe this is why my XJ Limited came with a limited slip rear end. [Do all
SelecTracs come with a L-S rear axle?] With a shorter wheelbase vehicle,
this can become an issue rather quickly. So if conditions even look
slippery, I throw it into 4HI since it doesn't really use any more fuel than
when in 2HI.



"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?
>
> TIA
>
>
>

 

My parents just bought a 2005 Liberty Limited. It was advertised that it
came with Command-Trac.
It actually has Selec-Trac. (2WD-4PARTTIME-4FULLTIME-N-4LO)
Or did Jeep set up Selec-Trac differently with the Libbys?
So check it out to see what it really has! Maybe you will also get lucky!
;-)
--
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1

"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?

 

My parents just bought a 2005 Liberty Limited. It was advertised that it
came with Command-Trac.
It actually has Selec-Trac. (2WD-4PARTTIME-4FULLTIME-N-4LO)
Or did Jeep set up Selec-Trac differently with the Libbys?
So check it out to see what it really has! Maybe you will also get lucky!
;-)
--
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1

"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?

 

My parents just bought a 2005 Liberty Limited. It was advertised that it
came with Command-Trac.
It actually has Selec-Trac. (2WD-4PARTTIME-4FULLTIME-N-4LO)
Or did Jeep set up Selec-Trac differently with the Libbys?
So check it out to see what it really has! Maybe you will also get lucky!
;-)
--
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1

"Sandstone" <spambucket@infowest.com> wrote in message
news:430E7FAC.AED5F286@infowest.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Liberty. I know Selec-Trac may be a
> better option but all the Libertys I've looked at have Command-Trac.
> Selec-Trac just rarer than hen's teeth around here. Command-Trac might
> be OK but I'm worried about the 4Hi limitations.
>
> Does the problem with 4Hi on dry pavement only occur when turning?
>
> For the sake of argument, if you *only* drive in a straight line on dry
> pavement, no matter what the speed, then is there any 4HI problem?
>
> I'm concerned about driving on hard dirt or clay roads that have
> intermittent trouble areas (e.g., deep sand or mud spots). Do I dare
> drive in 4Hi on roads like this, or are they equivalent to dry pavement
> scenarios? What are others experiences in situations like this?
>
> What about gravel roads - are they problematic in 4Hi?