Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
Mike Romain wrote:
> The come-a-alongs were tagged sideways to a tree so the XJ moved on
> their arc as the Warn extracted him.
Very good point, and something I wanted to mention as well, as it
matters in safety.
Come-a-longs are cheap and portable and are fine for light jobs where
heavy loads that wheel freely must be moved, to secure a stationary
object while it is moved with other means (preferably a winch) and for
lifting moderate loads vertically. Nothing more.
When used for vehicle extraction, several safety problems arise. The
worst is that when cranking, you are directly inline with the cable; if
it snaps, you WILL lose body parts and death is the usual result.
For extraction, I give it a thumbs-down. For securing a vehicle while
other means of extraction can be located, a thumbs-UP, provided you
NEVER, EVER attach it to a vehicle; use a stationary object such as a
large tree, and keep others away from the slash-zone.
My preferences for vehicle extraction:
1. Vehicle-mounted winch with heavy cable and hook. You can do damn
near anything with this setup.
2. 3" or better (Min. 35,000 lb.) non-stretch recovery strap w/o hooks.
I've seen these sold in 50' lengths; perfect for recovery on vehicles
without hooks; easily axle-wrapped, and can also be used to hold
stationary objects in place while help arrives. Best used with heavy,
sure-footed recovery vehicles.
3. 2.5" or better (7,500 lb +) ****** strap w/o hooks. Same as above,
but when used with a light recovery vehicle and a running start, lets
intertia and torque work together.
4. Case-hardened chain, the heavier the better. Usually reserved for
heavy vehicle extraction. Minimal danger of snapback when kept short.
Can be doubled/trippled to increase pulling capacity.
Frame-mounted tow hooks are always the best anchor point; Class II+
hitches using a D-shackle in place of the ball is acceptable, but if the
receiver is a cheapo, expect to lose it along with your rear bumper in
the process.
> The come-a-alongs were tagged sideways to a tree so the XJ moved on
> their arc as the Warn extracted him.
Very good point, and something I wanted to mention as well, as it
matters in safety.
Come-a-longs are cheap and portable and are fine for light jobs where
heavy loads that wheel freely must be moved, to secure a stationary
object while it is moved with other means (preferably a winch) and for
lifting moderate loads vertically. Nothing more.
When used for vehicle extraction, several safety problems arise. The
worst is that when cranking, you are directly inline with the cable; if
it snaps, you WILL lose body parts and death is the usual result.
For extraction, I give it a thumbs-down. For securing a vehicle while
other means of extraction can be located, a thumbs-UP, provided you
NEVER, EVER attach it to a vehicle; use a stationary object such as a
large tree, and keep others away from the slash-zone.
My preferences for vehicle extraction:
1. Vehicle-mounted winch with heavy cable and hook. You can do damn
near anything with this setup.
2. 3" or better (Min. 35,000 lb.) non-stretch recovery strap w/o hooks.
I've seen these sold in 50' lengths; perfect for recovery on vehicles
without hooks; easily axle-wrapped, and can also be used to hold
stationary objects in place while help arrives. Best used with heavy,
sure-footed recovery vehicles.
3. 2.5" or better (7,500 lb +) ****** strap w/o hooks. Same as above,
but when used with a light recovery vehicle and a running start, lets
intertia and torque work together.
4. Case-hardened chain, the heavier the better. Usually reserved for
heavy vehicle extraction. Minimal danger of snapback when kept short.
Can be doubled/trippled to increase pulling capacity.
Frame-mounted tow hooks are always the best anchor point; Class II+
hitches using a D-shackle in place of the ball is acceptable, but if the
receiver is a cheapo, expect to lose it along with your rear bumper in
the process.
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
"The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
Now that's some funny stuff!
A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
be cheaper would be my choice.
Jon
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
"The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
Now that's some funny stuff!
A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
be cheaper would be my choice.
Jon
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
"The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
Now that's some funny stuff!
A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
be cheaper would be my choice.
Jon
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
"The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
Now that's some funny stuff!
A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
be cheaper would be my choice.
Jon
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:41:16 -0800, Jon wrote:
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:41:16 -0800, Jon wrote:
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:41:16 -0800, Jon wrote:
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
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Re: Come along, jerk strap, and tire chains
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:41:16 -0800, Jon wrote:
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
> "The overall best vehicle for your once in 5 years case is a
> comfortable east chair and a warm fire."
>
> Now that's some funny stuff!
>
> A lot of good ideas and solid advice, if you ask me. And to answer
> your question, cable chains are quicker on/off because they're
> dimensionally stable, as opposed to chains in a pile...and they're a
> bit shorter in lifespan if you use them over the road. Whatever would
> be cheaper would be my choice.
>
> Jon
Another advantage of the cable style is that they require less clearance
than chains. I've got heavy-duty chains for the rear of my MJ (XJ has the
same problems) but I only use them for limited situations where I need the
traction for a limited, well defined pull or where buried rocks/stumps
would trash the cable type in a hurry. I keep a set of cables in the tool
box to use on the road. With 235x75x15 tires, there just isn't enough
wheel well clearance if the wheels spin up to higher speeds.
--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>
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Re: Come along, jerk strap
There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe how
jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar
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who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an
obsession the other perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents/possessions,
committing forgery over many of them proving I'm an American man. You remind
me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking,
me too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
You're even more senile than I first thought.
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jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar
hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251
who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an
obsession the other perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, to no
one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents/possessions,
committing forgery over many of them proving I'm an American man. You remind
me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking,
me too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take
responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
You're even more senile than I first thought.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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> Germany
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>
> Freie Universität Berlin - vertreten durch den Präsidenten Univ. -Prof.
> Dr. Dieter Lenzen
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