me@privacy.net

I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
vehicle such as van.

However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
wheel drive in a van.

I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
situations as far as getting stuck in the van?

I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
around tree and attach come along to ends and then
ratchet my way out of the stuck position.

On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
throw back in vehicle?

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Try to find something with a real bumper. Sounds like you all ready know
how the Japanese rubber baby bumper works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...per+snow&hl=en
It's the ****** block (pulley) that doubles pull rate.
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> I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?


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Try to find something with a real bumper. Sounds like you all ready know
how the Japanese rubber baby bumper works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...per+snow&hl=en
It's the ****** block (pulley) that doubles pull rate.
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> I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?


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Try to find something with a real bumper. Sounds like you all ready know
how the Japanese rubber baby bumper works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...per+snow&hl=en
It's the ****** block (pulley) that doubles pull rate.
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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
> I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?


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Try to find something with a real bumper. Sounds like you all ready know
how the Japanese rubber baby bumper works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...per+snow&hl=en
It's the ****** block (pulley) that doubles pull rate.
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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
> I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?


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Carl

The definition of 'bad situation' is in the eye of the beholder. I have been
in places where 33" tires, 4 wheel drive, and a 9,000lb winch was barely
enough to get me out. I have video.

What type of roads do you travel? Highways and city streets? Back roads?
Forest service roads? Logging roads? Long, private dirt/gravel driveways?
4x4 trails? There is a reason we lift and lock our 4x4's with big tires.

I would say so long as you stick on the road you should be fine. A chained
RWD van should go anywhere a FWD car can go w/o chains. Throw a few sand
bags in the rear and you probably won't have any problems.

Sometimes there is nothing to strap to and use your come-along or winch. A
hi-lift can be very versetile but also VERY dangerous if used wrong. They
sell attachments to hi-lift from a wheel instead of putting it under the
frame. It can also double as a come-along. A hi-lift used improperly CAN and
WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

Be VERY careful linking straps and come-alongs together. You are MUCH better
off using D-Shackles instead of hooks. Put the shackle through the loop on
the strap, and the loop where the come-along hook attaches to the
come-along. Attach the pin and screw it in tight. Only use hooks if there is
no other alternative and a speedy recovery is needed for safety reasons.

Also, be sure to carry a long sleeve shirt (tie the sleeves in knots and put
rocks in them) or a heavy coat. Drape the shirt or the coat over the center
of the strap/ come along lines. This helps keep the straps from flying if
they break.

Make no mistake about it. A broken strap CAN and WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

I'm not sure how one would install tire chains while stuck, since most
passenger car tire chains are drive-on. I suppose you could barely jack the
van up and VERY CARFULLY install the chains with the van wheel 1" off the
ground, though I do NOT advise working under a vehicle supported only by a
jack, especially a Hi-lift.

Bear in mind that YOU (the Rigger) are responsible for your safety and the
safety of those around you during a recovery operation. This includes
traffic passing by, anyone who stops to help/gawkers, and animal life.

I can't stress this enough. Self-recovery of your vehicle is not something
to take lightly. It's important to assess the situation for hazards and to
check your rigging very carefully. Improper / careless setup or operation of
self-recovery equipment CAN and WILL caust FATAL INJURY.

Last but not least, always use a nylon strap around a tree. Chains are
second best if no strap is availible. Only use a cable as a last resort, as
this will damage the tree.

Hope this helps,

Carl


<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
>I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?

Carl

The definition of 'bad situation' is in the eye of the beholder. I have been
in places where 33" tires, 4 wheel drive, and a 9,000lb winch was barely
enough to get me out. I have video.

What type of roads do you travel? Highways and city streets? Back roads?
Forest service roads? Logging roads? Long, private dirt/gravel driveways?
4x4 trails? There is a reason we lift and lock our 4x4's with big tires.

I would say so long as you stick on the road you should be fine. A chained
RWD van should go anywhere a FWD car can go w/o chains. Throw a few sand
bags in the rear and you probably won't have any problems.

Sometimes there is nothing to strap to and use your come-along or winch. A
hi-lift can be very versetile but also VERY dangerous if used wrong. They
sell attachments to hi-lift from a wheel instead of putting it under the
frame. It can also double as a come-along. A hi-lift used improperly CAN and
WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

Be VERY careful linking straps and come-alongs together. You are MUCH better
off using D-Shackles instead of hooks. Put the shackle through the loop on
the strap, and the loop where the come-along hook attaches to the
come-along. Attach the pin and screw it in tight. Only use hooks if there is
no other alternative and a speedy recovery is needed for safety reasons.

Also, be sure to carry a long sleeve shirt (tie the sleeves in knots and put
rocks in them) or a heavy coat. Drape the shirt or the coat over the center
of the strap/ come along lines. This helps keep the straps from flying if
they break.

Make no mistake about it. A broken strap CAN and WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

I'm not sure how one would install tire chains while stuck, since most
passenger car tire chains are drive-on. I suppose you could barely jack the
van up and VERY CARFULLY install the chains with the van wheel 1" off the
ground, though I do NOT advise working under a vehicle supported only by a
jack, especially a Hi-lift.

Bear in mind that YOU (the Rigger) are responsible for your safety and the
safety of those around you during a recovery operation. This includes
traffic passing by, anyone who stops to help/gawkers, and animal life.

I can't stress this enough. Self-recovery of your vehicle is not something
to take lightly. It's important to assess the situation for hazards and to
check your rigging very carefully. Improper / careless setup or operation of
self-recovery equipment CAN and WILL caust FATAL INJURY.

Last but not least, always use a nylon strap around a tree. Chains are
second best if no strap is availible. Only use a cable as a last resort, as
this will damage the tree.

Hope this helps,

Carl


<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
>I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?

Carl

The definition of 'bad situation' is in the eye of the beholder. I have been
in places where 33" tires, 4 wheel drive, and a 9,000lb winch was barely
enough to get me out. I have video.

What type of roads do you travel? Highways and city streets? Back roads?
Forest service roads? Logging roads? Long, private dirt/gravel driveways?
4x4 trails? There is a reason we lift and lock our 4x4's with big tires.

I would say so long as you stick on the road you should be fine. A chained
RWD van should go anywhere a FWD car can go w/o chains. Throw a few sand
bags in the rear and you probably won't have any problems.

Sometimes there is nothing to strap to and use your come-along or winch. A
hi-lift can be very versetile but also VERY dangerous if used wrong. They
sell attachments to hi-lift from a wheel instead of putting it under the
frame. It can also double as a come-along. A hi-lift used improperly CAN and
WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

Be VERY careful linking straps and come-alongs together. You are MUCH better
off using D-Shackles instead of hooks. Put the shackle through the loop on
the strap, and the loop where the come-along hook attaches to the
come-along. Attach the pin and screw it in tight. Only use hooks if there is
no other alternative and a speedy recovery is needed for safety reasons.

Also, be sure to carry a long sleeve shirt (tie the sleeves in knots and put
rocks in them) or a heavy coat. Drape the shirt or the coat over the center
of the strap/ come along lines. This helps keep the straps from flying if
they break.

Make no mistake about it. A broken strap CAN and WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

I'm not sure how one would install tire chains while stuck, since most
passenger car tire chains are drive-on. I suppose you could barely jack the
van up and VERY CARFULLY install the chains with the van wheel 1" off the
ground, though I do NOT advise working under a vehicle supported only by a
jack, especially a Hi-lift.

Bear in mind that YOU (the Rigger) are responsible for your safety and the
safety of those around you during a recovery operation. This includes
traffic passing by, anyone who stops to help/gawkers, and animal life.

I can't stress this enough. Self-recovery of your vehicle is not something
to take lightly. It's important to assess the situation for hazards and to
check your rigging very carefully. Improper / careless setup or operation of
self-recovery equipment CAN and WILL caust FATAL INJURY.

Last but not least, always use a nylon strap around a tree. Chains are
second best if no strap is availible. Only use a cable as a last resort, as
this will damage the tree.

Hope this helps,

Carl


<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
>I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?

Carl

The definition of 'bad situation' is in the eye of the beholder. I have been
in places where 33" tires, 4 wheel drive, and a 9,000lb winch was barely
enough to get me out. I have video.

What type of roads do you travel? Highways and city streets? Back roads?
Forest service roads? Logging roads? Long, private dirt/gravel driveways?
4x4 trails? There is a reason we lift and lock our 4x4's with big tires.

I would say so long as you stick on the road you should be fine. A chained
RWD van should go anywhere a FWD car can go w/o chains. Throw a few sand
bags in the rear and you probably won't have any problems.

Sometimes there is nothing to strap to and use your come-along or winch. A
hi-lift can be very versetile but also VERY dangerous if used wrong. They
sell attachments to hi-lift from a wheel instead of putting it under the
frame. It can also double as a come-along. A hi-lift used improperly CAN and
WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

Be VERY careful linking straps and come-alongs together. You are MUCH better
off using D-Shackles instead of hooks. Put the shackle through the loop on
the strap, and the loop where the come-along hook attaches to the
come-along. Attach the pin and screw it in tight. Only use hooks if there is
no other alternative and a speedy recovery is needed for safety reasons.

Also, be sure to carry a long sleeve shirt (tie the sleeves in knots and put
rocks in them) or a heavy coat. Drape the shirt or the coat over the center
of the strap/ come along lines. This helps keep the straps from flying if
they break.

Make no mistake about it. A broken strap CAN and WILL cause FATAL INJURY.

I'm not sure how one would install tire chains while stuck, since most
passenger car tire chains are drive-on. I suppose you could barely jack the
van up and VERY CARFULLY install the chains with the van wheel 1" off the
ground, though I do NOT advise working under a vehicle supported only by a
jack, especially a Hi-lift.

Bear in mind that YOU (the Rigger) are responsible for your safety and the
safety of those around you during a recovery operation. This includes
traffic passing by, anyone who stops to help/gawkers, and animal life.

I can't stress this enough. Self-recovery of your vehicle is not something
to take lightly. It's important to assess the situation for hazards and to
check your rigging very carefully. Improper / careless setup or operation of
self-recovery equipment CAN and WILL caust FATAL INJURY.

Last but not least, always use a nylon strap around a tree. Chains are
second best if no strap is availible. Only use a cable as a last resort, as
this will damage the tree.

Hope this helps,

Carl


<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:agidr2ptivia5c7jggdlnkpauo3b65je7b@4ax.com...
>I currently do not have a 4WD but have front wheel
> drive car instead. I want to sell the car and get a 2WD
> vehicle such as van.
>
> However.... I am a bit concerned abt going back to rear
> wheel drive in a van.
>
> I was thinking..... if a person carried a kit of say a
> set of easy on/off tire chains, a 12 ft manual come
> along, and a 30 ft two inch nylon jerk strap.... would
> those three items pretty much get me out of any bad
> situations as far as getting stuck in the van?
>
> I figure I could wrap or attach the jerk strap to the
> vehicle and attach come along hook to jerk strap
> thereby increasing its length. Or wrap jerk strap
> around tree and attach come along to ends and then
> ratchet my way out of the stuck position.
>
> On the tire chains....anyone have a source for some
> VERY easy on/off chains that one could install just
> long enough to get vehicle unstuck.... then remove and
> throw back in vehicle?

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Hi Carl,
Used the D-shackle, maybe at the frame to make a better connection that
may not slice the tow strap, but not between two tow straps:
http://www.----------.com/temp/TowStrapBreakshort.mpg
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"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:gqydnRGcd4E8SCvYnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> The definition of 'bad situation' is in the eye of the beholder. I have
been
> in places where 33" tires, 4 wheel drive, and a 9,000lb winch was barely
> enough to get me out. I have video.
>
> What type of roads do you travel? Highways and city streets? Back roads?
> Forest service roads? Logging roads? Long, private dirt/gravel driveways?
> 4x4 trails? There is a reason we lift and lock our 4x4's with big tires.
>
> I would say so long as you stick on the road you should be fine. A chained
> RWD van should go anywhere a FWD car can go w/o chains. Throw a few sand
> bags in the rear and you probably won't have any problems.
>
> Sometimes there is nothing to strap to and use your come-along or winch. A
> hi-lift can be very versetile but also VERY dangerous if used wrong. They
> sell attachments to hi-lift from a wheel instead of putting it under the
> frame. It can also double as a come-along. A hi-lift used improperly CAN
and
> WILL cause FATAL INJURY.
>
> Be VERY careful linking straps and come-alongs together. You are MUCH
better
> off using D-Shackles instead of hooks. Put the shackle through the loop on
> the strap, and the loop where the come-along hook attaches to the
> come-along. Attach the pin and screw it in tight. Only use hooks if there
is
> no other alternative and a speedy recovery is needed for safety reasons.
>
> Also, be sure to carry a long sleeve shirt (tie the sleeves in knots and
put
> rocks in them) or a heavy coat. Drape the shirt or the coat over the
center
> of the strap/ come along lines. This helps keep the straps from flying if
> they break.
>
> Make no mistake about it. A broken strap CAN and WILL cause FATAL INJURY.
>
> I'm not sure how one would install tire chains while stuck, since most
> passenger car tire chains are drive-on. I suppose you could barely jack
the
> van up and VERY CARFULLY install the chains with the van wheel 1" off the
> ground, though I do NOT advise working under a vehicle supported only by a
> jack, especially a Hi-lift.
>
> Bear in mind that YOU (the Rigger) are responsible for your safety and the
> safety of those around you during a recovery operation. This includes
> traffic passing by, anyone who stops to help/gawkers, and animal life.
>
> I can't stress this enough. Self-recovery of your vehicle is not something
> to take lightly. It's important to assess the situation for hazards and to
> check your rigging very carefully. Improper / careless setup or operation
of
> self-recovery equipment CAN and WILL caust FATAL INJURY.
>
> Last but not least, always use a nylon strap around a tree. Chains are
> second best if no strap is availible. Only use a cable as a last resort,
as
> this will damage the tree.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Carl



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