Cold Air Intake advice
01-08-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
The Merg wrote:
> Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
>
So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
peak RPM is what they advertise.
Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
lost.
01-08-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
The Merg wrote:
> Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
>
So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
peak RPM is what they advertise.
Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
lost.
01-08-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
The Merg wrote:
> Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
>
So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
peak RPM is what they advertise.
Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
lost.
01-08-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
I asked Billy Ray the same question:
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
01-08-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
I asked Billy Ray the same question:
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
01-08-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
I asked Billy Ray the same question:
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
"So why do people keep
buying them if there really is no discernible gains?
Is this all conical filters or just K&N?
I'm amazed that the AC Delco paper filter allowed the least amount of
dirt and clogged up the least quickly of all those filters.
So...I might as well forget the intake upgrade and stick with the stock
box.
what else can I do as far as air flow is concerned? Throttle body
spacer? I've always kinda thought they were a little hooey, too, but
I don't know."
Billy Ray said this:
"Why? Hmmmmm
They spend millions in advertising a product that isn't totally useless
that promises significant improvements in horsepower and torque.
The problems include poor filtration and the power improvement is at
RPM ranges where Jeepers rarely venture.
Your factory filter and airbox is capable of flowing more air than your
engine can consume and exhaust.
On a stock engine spacers are also of little benefit.
You can get improvement from a free flowing exhaust. The best
bang-for-the-buck on almost any vehicle is a cat-back exhaust. The 4
liter engine breathes best through 2.5 inch pipes. In an older vehicle
or if you have some spare cash you can add a low resistance catalytic
converter.
If your exhaust manifold cracks you can replace it with superior one
but it is questionable if replacement is cost effective if your present
one is in good shape."
Hope this helps.
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
01-08-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
01-08-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
01-08-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> The Merg wrote:
> > Here's one of Billy Ray's magic links:
> > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ilter%20Tests/
> > note the RPM ranges where the actual 'performance gains' are attained.
> >
>
> So true I only run it to 3000 RPM normally. but 10-15 hp increase at
> peak RPM is what they advertise.
>
> Mike: I truly don't think more flow means more dirt. I have always run
> K&N oil filters and they are higher flowing and trap more dirt. If cone
> filters let more dirt thru I don't know why they sell so well. Still
> lost.
K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
better flow.
You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
01-08-2007, 07:29 PM
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Re: Cold Air Intake advice
I guess, but I'm sure oil filters are a different ballgame.
Sigh. I'll stick with my stock box and get headers eventually.
Thx again
Mike Romain wrote:
> Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
> better flow.
>
> You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
> that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
>
> You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Sigh. I'll stick with my stock box and get headers eventually.
Thx again
Mike Romain wrote:
> Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> >
>
> K&N 'themselves' admit they let in more dirt as the compromise for
> better flow.
>
> You should 'really' look at that link Billy Ray made. The test show
> that K&N to let in 'way' more dirt than any stock paper filter....
>
> You can't get something for free when it comes to power....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)