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Re: The clutch saga
On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system? > Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the > internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I > installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a > pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no > residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes > had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and > a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the > master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in > the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself - > sometimes. > > One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often? > If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your > case. > > -- > Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. |
Re: The clutch saga
On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system? > Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the > internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I > installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a > pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no > residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes > had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and > a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the > master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in > the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself - > sometimes. > > One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often? > If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your > case. > > -- > Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. |
Re: The clutch saga
wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system? >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself - >> sometimes. >> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often? >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your >> case. >> >> -- >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line? Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line? Any soot marks on the old parts? Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down. I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: The clutch saga
wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system? >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself - >> sometimes. >> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often? >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your >> case. >> >> -- >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line? Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line? Any soot marks on the old parts? Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down. I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: The clutch saga
wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system? >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself - >> sometimes. >> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often? >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your >> case. >> >> -- >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line? Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line? Any soot marks on the old parts? Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down. I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: The clutch saga
Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed
from the master cylinder, too. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ <wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172582885.424952.146780@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: The clutch saga
Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed
from the master cylinder, too. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ <wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172582885.424952.146780@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: The clutch saga
Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed
from the master cylinder, too. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ <wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172582885.424952.146780@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: The clutch saga
On Feb 27, 6:43 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote: > Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed > from the master cylinder, too. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ > > <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172582885.424952.146780@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > > > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions? Thanks |
Re: The clutch saga
On Feb 27, 6:43 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote: > Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed > from the master cylinder, too. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ > > <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172582885.424952.146780@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > > > > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced > > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave, > > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend, > > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last > > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of > > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a > > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master > > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it > > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping > > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me. > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions? Thanks |
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