Ron:

It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
complete stop.

Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.

Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
well.

Ryan

Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> whoops I meant :
>
>
>
> In a T18 conversion the
> bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
> be used.
> (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> In a T18 conversion the bearing
> > used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
> > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Ron:

It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
complete stop.

Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.

Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
well.

Ryan

Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> whoops I meant :
>
>
>
> In a T18 conversion the
> bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
> be used.
> (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> In a T18 conversion the bearing
> > used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
> > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Hi Ryan,

I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
that is.

According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
the skidplate was custom built)

if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
measurements of that bushing/bearing.

One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
inputshaft.

I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
that T18 "thing".

thanks,

Ron


Ryan wrote:
> Ron:
>
> It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> complete stop.
>
> Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
>
> Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> well.
>
> Ryan
>
> Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>
>>whoops I meant :
>>
>>
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the
>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
>>be used.
>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>>
>>
>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the bearing
>>
>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Hi Ryan,

I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
that is.

According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
the skidplate was custom built)

if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
measurements of that bushing/bearing.

One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
inputshaft.

I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
that T18 "thing".

thanks,

Ron


Ryan wrote:
> Ron:
>
> It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> complete stop.
>
> Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
>
> Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> well.
>
> Ryan
>
> Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>
>>whoops I meant :
>>
>>
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the
>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
>>be used.
>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>>
>>
>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the bearing
>>
>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Hi Ryan,

I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
that is.

According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
the skidplate was custom built)

if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
measurements of that bushing/bearing.

One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
inputshaft.

I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
that T18 "thing".

thanks,

Ron


Ryan wrote:
> Ron:
>
> It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> complete stop.
>
> Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
>
> Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> well.
>
> Ryan
>
> Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>
>>whoops I meant :
>>
>>
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the
>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
>>be used.
>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>>
>>
>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>
>> In a T18 conversion the bearing
>>
>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Ron:

Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300
T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem.

For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal
bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from
"self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever.

I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys
this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18
combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn.

Ryan
ryansweany@earthlink.net
(O|||||||O)

Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
> that is.
>
> According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
> is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
> engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
> bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
> Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
> the skidplate was custom built)
>
> if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
> measurements of that bushing/bearing.
>
> One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
> that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
> inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
> bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
> inputshaft.
>
> I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
> that T18 "thing".
>
> thanks,
>
> Ron
>
>
> Ryan wrote:
> > Ron:
> >
> > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> > complete stop.
> >
> > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
> >
> > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> > well.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> >
> >>whoops I meant :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the
> >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
> >>be used.
> >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
> >>
> >>
> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing
> >>
> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
> >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Ron:

Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300
T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem.

For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal
bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from
"self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever.

I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys
this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18
combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn.

Ryan
ryansweany@earthlink.net
(O|||||||O)

Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
> that is.
>
> According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
> is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
> engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
> bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
> Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
> the skidplate was custom built)
>
> if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
> measurements of that bushing/bearing.
>
> One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
> that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
> inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
> bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
> inputshaft.
>
> I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
> that T18 "thing".
>
> thanks,
>
> Ron
>
>
> Ryan wrote:
> > Ron:
> >
> > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> > complete stop.
> >
> > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
> >
> > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> > well.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> >
> >>whoops I meant :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the
> >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
> >>be used.
> >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
> >>
> >>
> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing
> >>
> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
> >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

Ron:

Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300
T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem.

For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal
bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from
"self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever.

I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys
this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18
combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn.

Ryan
ryansweany@earthlink.net
(O|||||||O)

Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
> that is.
>
> According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
> is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
> engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
> bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
> Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
> the skidplate was custom built)
>
> if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
> measurements of that bushing/bearing.
>
> One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
> that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
> inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
> bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
> inputshaft.
>
> I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
> that T18 "thing".
>
> thanks,
>
> Ron
>
>
> Ryan wrote:
> > Ron:
> >
> > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
> > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
> > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
> > complete stop.
> >
> > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
> > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
> > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
> > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
> > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
> >
> > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
> > well.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
> >
> >>whoops I meant :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the
> >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
> >>be used.
> >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
> >>
> >>
> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>
> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing
> >>
> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
> >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

> Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
> the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300
> T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem.

Ok here's what I found out yesterday :

As you mentioned these are the dimensions of the bushing :
1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5"

Now I called around a bit and ended up with someone from Timken talking
about a possible alternative.

They have a bearing (partnumber) : 303PP
and the dimensions are very close (OD 1.8504 x ID 0.693 x 0.551)
when you look at the differences in metric (for some reason Timken says
that all bearings they produce are measured in metric) then the
differences are very little. I don't know how big a hammer they differ
though. (might be I made a typo in the dimensions, but I have the
paperwork at home)


> For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal
> bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from
> "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever.

Yeah mine doesn't get that many miles on it either.

> I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys
> this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18
> combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn.

Hey wait.. you're from IN ?? Cool I just moved here a year ago, don't
know about that many places to go (except for a 4wd park and a ditch or
2 here and there.)

thanks,

Ron



> Ryan
> ryansweany@earthlink.net
> (O|||||||O)
>
> Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>
>>Hi Ryan,
>>
>>I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
>>that is.
>>
>>According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
>>is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
>>engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
>>bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
>>Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
>>the skidplate was custom built)
>>
>>if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
>> measurements of that bushing/bearing.
>>
>>One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
>>that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
>>inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
>>bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
>>inputshaft.
>>
>>I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
>>that T18 "thing".
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>
>>Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>Ron:
>>>
>>>It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
>>>different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
>>>downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
>>>complete stop.
>>>
>>>Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
>>>quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
>>>The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
>>>is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
>>>be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
>>>
>>>Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
>>>well.
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>whoops I meant :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a T18 conversion the
>>>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
>>>>be used.
>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In a T18 conversion the bearing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
>>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)

 

> Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
> the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300
> T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem.

Ok here's what I found out yesterday :

As you mentioned these are the dimensions of the bushing :
1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5"

Now I called around a bit and ended up with someone from Timken talking
about a possible alternative.

They have a bearing (partnumber) : 303PP
and the dimensions are very close (OD 1.8504 x ID 0.693 x 0.551)
when you look at the differences in metric (for some reason Timken says
that all bearings they produce are measured in metric) then the
differences are very little. I don't know how big a hammer they differ
though. (might be I made a typo in the dimensions, but I have the
paperwork at home)


> For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal
> bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from
> "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever.

Yeah mine doesn't get that many miles on it either.

> I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys
> this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18
> combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn.

Hey wait.. you're from IN ?? Cool I just moved here a year ago, don't
know about that many places to go (except for a 4wd park and a ditch or
2 here and there.)

thanks,

Ron



> Ryan
> ryansweany@earthlink.net
> (O|||||||O)
>
> Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>
>>Hi Ryan,
>>
>>I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail
>>that is.
>>
>>According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it
>>is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the
>>engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that
>>bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150,
>>Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and
>>the skidplate was custom built)
>>
>>if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the
>> measurements of that bushing/bearing.
>>
>>One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url)
>>that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the
>>inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a
>>bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that
>>inputshaft.
>>
>>I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with
>>that T18 "thing".
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>
>>Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>Ron:
>>>
>>>It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a
>>>different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to
>>>downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a
>>>complete stop.
>>>
>>>Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A
>>>quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later.
>>>The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that
>>>is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may
>>>be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing.
>>>
>>>Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as
>>>well.
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>whoops I meant :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a T18 conversion the
>>>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can
>>>>be used.
>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In a T18 conversion the bearing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used.
>>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.)