Re: Class Action Lawsuit against Jeep for 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees
 

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>

Re: Class Action Lawsuit against Jeep for 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees
 

Brian Foster wrote:
| "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
| news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
|| Brian Foster proclaimed:
||
||| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
||| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
||| companies?
||
|| Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a
|| manufacturer? I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others
|| used to be somewhat fussy about which dealers they would allow
|| to carry a franchise, but I've never seen a manufacturer owned
|| dealer... not saying there isn't any, just never heard of one
|| except back when Sears Roebuck sold cars by mail order [with
|| or without accompanying bride].
||
||| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
||| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
||| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise,
|| the only case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha,
|| but that dealer managed to get the franchise back by hiring
|| and stocking parts a bit better.
||
|| The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or
|| not the dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the
|| scope of the manufacturer's dollars.
||
|||
||| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it
||| wrong or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the
||| dealer and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up,
||| now it's your problem. You fix it.
||
|| If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth
|| does your mind work that you consider this *not* to be the
|| fault of that brake company?
|
| Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they
| could make the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need
| to buy the "kit" from Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned
| on the service bulliten. They told me that the calipers and
| rotors on my car were not matched for the vehicle or that they
| were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and that's why
| they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
| every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do
| that Jeep put out the service bulliten and they know they have a
| problem with these brakes on these vehicles.
|
| So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done
| right. Jeep dealer says they don't know anything about brake
| problems on my model/year car, so that's when I start reading in
| the group and find out there are lots of problems with brakes on
| this model/year vehicle and some people are getting the problem
| fixed free.
|
| And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
||
|| PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by
|| your Jeep warranty either.


They probably used the wrong rotors/pads for your GC, so now they are trying
to cover it up. There are two different kind of rotors, one kind is
machined (CNC) and the other is cast. I went through this on my girl
friend's Cherokee, a 99, which has different brakes than my Wrangler, which
has the same brakes as my parent's 99 GC. Lets keep it simple:

Cherokee : CNC machined (about $90 a rotor, $180 for both)
Wrangler: Cast ($25 or so)
GC: Cast ($25 or so)

All the same year.

The cast rotors are cheap, about $25, but I always have to check when I go
to Autozone or wherever to get them, b/c they usually give me the wrong
rotors. Same deal for my girl's Cherokee, I almost always get the wrong
rotors, and then IU have to say "Hey, dummy, fix your computer, these are
not the rotors." I actually made some guy break open a set of tools and a
jack at the store, where I took off the driver's front wheel and took the
rotor inside to him. He refused to believe me...."My computer has never
been wrong..."

So, I say again, this is what you get for messing with a place called Just
Brakes. Get your lazy ass to autozone, pay the $$$ in parts, and do it
yourself. I bet your gf could do it...I make mine change her own oil and
brake pads...at least, before her shoulder surgery I did...not so much
anymore.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP

Re: Class Action Lawsuit against Jeep for 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees
 

Brian Foster wrote:
| "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
| news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
|| Brian Foster proclaimed:
||
||| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
||| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
||| companies?
||
|| Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a
|| manufacturer? I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others
|| used to be somewhat fussy about which dealers they would allow
|| to carry a franchise, but I've never seen a manufacturer owned
|| dealer... not saying there isn't any, just never heard of one
|| except back when Sears Roebuck sold cars by mail order [with
|| or without accompanying bride].
||
||| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
||| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
||| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise,
|| the only case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha,
|| but that dealer managed to get the franchise back by hiring
|| and stocking parts a bit better.
||
|| The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or
|| not the dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the
|| scope of the manufacturer's dollars.
||
|||
||| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it
||| wrong or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the
||| dealer and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up,
||| now it's your problem. You fix it.
||
|| If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth
|| does your mind work that you consider this *not* to be the
|| fault of that brake company?
|
| Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they
| could make the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need
| to buy the "kit" from Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned
| on the service bulliten. They told me that the calipers and
| rotors on my car were not matched for the vehicle or that they
| were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and that's why
| they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
| every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do
| that Jeep put out the service bulliten and they know they have a
| problem with these brakes on these vehicles.
|
| So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done
| right. Jeep dealer says they don't know anything about brake
| problems on my model/year car, so that's when I start reading in
| the group and find out there are lots of problems with brakes on
| this model/year vehicle and some people are getting the problem
| fixed free.
|
| And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
||
|| PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by
|| your Jeep warranty either.


They probably used the wrong rotors/pads for your GC, so now they are trying
to cover it up. There are two different kind of rotors, one kind is
machined (CNC) and the other is cast. I went through this on my girl
friend's Cherokee, a 99, which has different brakes than my Wrangler, which
has the same brakes as my parent's 99 GC. Lets keep it simple:

Cherokee : CNC machined (about $90 a rotor, $180 for both)
Wrangler: Cast ($25 or so)
GC: Cast ($25 or so)

All the same year.

The cast rotors are cheap, about $25, but I always have to check when I go
to Autozone or wherever to get them, b/c they usually give me the wrong
rotors. Same deal for my girl's Cherokee, I almost always get the wrong
rotors, and then IU have to say "Hey, dummy, fix your computer, these are
not the rotors." I actually made some guy break open a set of tools and a
jack at the store, where I took off the driver's front wheel and took the
rotor inside to him. He refused to believe me...."My computer has never
been wrong..."

So, I say again, this is what you get for messing with a place called Just
Brakes. Get your lazy ass to autozone, pay the $$$ in parts, and do it
yourself. I bet your gf could do it...I make mine change her own oil and
brake pads...at least, before her shoulder surgery I did...not so much
anymore.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP

Re: Class Action Lawsuit against Jeep for 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees
 

Brian Foster wrote:
| "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
| news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
|| Brian Foster proclaimed:
||
||| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
||| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
||| companies?
||
|| Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a
|| manufacturer? I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others
|| used to be somewhat fussy about which dealers they would allow
|| to carry a franchise, but I've never seen a manufacturer owned
|| dealer... not saying there isn't any, just never heard of one
|| except back when Sears Roebuck sold cars by mail order [with
|| or without accompanying bride].
||
||| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
||| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
||| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise,
|| the only case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha,
|| but that dealer managed to get the franchise back by hiring
|| and stocking parts a bit better.
||
|| The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or
|| not the dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the
|| scope of the manufacturer's dollars.
||
|||
||| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it
||| wrong or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the
||| dealer and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up,
||| now it's your problem. You fix it.
||
|| If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth
|| does your mind work that you consider this *not* to be the
|| fault of that brake company?
|
| Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they
| could make the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need
| to buy the "kit" from Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned
| on the service bulliten. They told me that the calipers and
| rotors on my car were not matched for the vehicle or that they
| were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and that's why
| they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
| every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do
| that Jeep put out the service bulliten and they know they have a
| problem with these brakes on these vehicles.
|
| So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done
| right. Jeep dealer says they don't know anything about brake
| problems on my model/year car, so that's when I start reading in
| the group and find out there are lots of problems with brakes on
| this model/year vehicle and some people are getting the problem
| fixed free.
|
| And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
||
|| PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by
|| your Jeep warranty either.


They probably used the wrong rotors/pads for your GC, so now they are trying
to cover it up. There are two different kind of rotors, one kind is
machined (CNC) and the other is cast. I went through this on my girl
friend's Cherokee, a 99, which has different brakes than my Wrangler, which
has the same brakes as my parent's 99 GC. Lets keep it simple:

Cherokee : CNC machined (about $90 a rotor, $180 for both)
Wrangler: Cast ($25 or so)
GC: Cast ($25 or so)

All the same year.

The cast rotors are cheap, about $25, but I always have to check when I go
to Autozone or wherever to get them, b/c they usually give me the wrong
rotors. Same deal for my girl's Cherokee, I almost always get the wrong
rotors, and then IU have to say "Hey, dummy, fix your computer, these are
not the rotors." I actually made some guy break open a set of tools and a
jack at the store, where I took off the driver's front wheel and took the
rotor inside to him. He refused to believe me...."My computer has never
been wrong..."

So, I say again, this is what you get for messing with a place called Just
Brakes. Get your lazy ass to autozone, pay the $$$ in parts, and do it
yourself. I bet your gf could do it...I make mine change her own oil and
brake pads...at least, before her shoulder surgery I did...not so much
anymore.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP