Lon

Brian Foster proclaimed:

> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?

Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].

> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.

Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
better.

The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
the manufacturer's dollars.

>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.

If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
company?

PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
warranty either.

Lon

Brian Foster proclaimed:

> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?

Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].

> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.

Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
better.

The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
the manufacturer's dollars.

>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.

If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
company?

PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
warranty either.

bllsht

In message <EAFtd.1488$Eq.586@fe1.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:

>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:4u6dr0ht4jlu5gasn1ddemfh6kiq4s29ng@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <%Ultd.3109$0b3.501@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:
>>
>>>My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I took to
>>>Just
>>>Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are squeaking again. I brought
>>>it
>>>back to JB and they show me a Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC
>>>to put a kit on that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought
>>>the
>>>car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
>>>entire
>>>issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing bad work/using
>>>cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or problem with
>>>rotors/calipers.
>>
>> It was a TSB, not a recall, and it didn't address squeaking. It was about
>> pulsation.
>
>I never said it was a recall, (I'm familiar with Jeep & recalls) it was a
>service bulliten. The brake company said it should be a recall but that Jeep
>is unwilling to spend the money to recall all the cars involved and would
>rather pay off the people who complain. Does that sound believable to you?

Sure it does. It's called business, and if you think DC is the only company
that tries to save a buck, you're being naive.

>
>>
>>>
>>>So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where this goes.
>>>I
>>>hate a company that will not stand behind their product. Maybe this is the
>>>first and last Jeep I own.
>>
>> First they nail you for a reline, then show you a totally unrelated
>> bulletin 2k
>> miles later when you have the same problem. Instead of stepping up and
>> taking
>> care of it, they blame Jeep and you buy it. Funny they didn't mention the
>> bulletin on your first visit when they took your money, eh?
>
>Yes they did mention it and told me it was about a $600 job. They said I may
>or may not need it.

You either need it or you don't. If they can't tell, I wouldn't let them touch
my car.

I can tell you that if your only complaint was squeaking, then you don't need
it, and JB needs to step up and make it right.

>>
>> I have a feeling you got what you paid for.
>
>Maybe that's the case with the vehicle too. Why are you so quick to crap on
>JB and so defensive about Jeep?

Not being defensive, I'd just like to see blame put where it belongs. JB did a
brake job, and now it's doing the same thing it was doing before they worked on
it, yet you're quick to blame Jeep, and pointing out TSBs that don't even apply.

>It seems to me like enough jeep vehicles of
>this type have had problems with brakes that maybe there is a problem with
>them. Also I've had about 4-5 recalls on this vehicle. The latest one was a
>gas tank valve. They had to replace the entire tank to take care of it.

Which has what to do with squeaking brakes exactly?

>>
>>
>> Just Brakes. LOL
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>> Mark12211 wrote:
>>>> | http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
>>>> |
>>>> | Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
>>>> |
>>>> | KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class action
>>>> | suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees.
>>>> | Here's the details:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
>>>> | to you.
>>>> |
>>>> | Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
>>>> | counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about defective
>>>> | front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
>>>> |
>>>> | For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
>>>> | 913-888-7100.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
>>>> | to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
>>>> | steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
>>>> | encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
>>>> | seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
>>>> |
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
>>>> | front brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
>>>> | Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Check out the entire article here.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action Lawsuit
>>>> | Over Brakes On Jeeps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer when my
>>>> parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the dealer did the job as
>>>> warranty work, and didn't even charge for labor. Of course, that is in
>>>> Ohio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
>>>> written by the wisest of mules.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
>>>>
>>>> JEGP
>>>> O|||||||O
>>>> NC, USA
>>>>
>>>> MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

bllsht

In message <EAFtd.1488$Eq.586@fe1.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:

>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:4u6dr0ht4jlu5gasn1ddemfh6kiq4s29ng@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <%Ultd.3109$0b3.501@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:
>>
>>>My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I took to
>>>Just
>>>Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are squeaking again. I brought
>>>it
>>>back to JB and they show me a Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC
>>>to put a kit on that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought
>>>the
>>>car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
>>>entire
>>>issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing bad work/using
>>>cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or problem with
>>>rotors/calipers.
>>
>> It was a TSB, not a recall, and it didn't address squeaking. It was about
>> pulsation.
>
>I never said it was a recall, (I'm familiar with Jeep & recalls) it was a
>service bulliten. The brake company said it should be a recall but that Jeep
>is unwilling to spend the money to recall all the cars involved and would
>rather pay off the people who complain. Does that sound believable to you?

Sure it does. It's called business, and if you think DC is the only company
that tries to save a buck, you're being naive.

>
>>
>>>
>>>So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where this goes.
>>>I
>>>hate a company that will not stand behind their product. Maybe this is the
>>>first and last Jeep I own.
>>
>> First they nail you for a reline, then show you a totally unrelated
>> bulletin 2k
>> miles later when you have the same problem. Instead of stepping up and
>> taking
>> care of it, they blame Jeep and you buy it. Funny they didn't mention the
>> bulletin on your first visit when they took your money, eh?
>
>Yes they did mention it and told me it was about a $600 job. They said I may
>or may not need it.

You either need it or you don't. If they can't tell, I wouldn't let them touch
my car.

I can tell you that if your only complaint was squeaking, then you don't need
it, and JB needs to step up and make it right.

>>
>> I have a feeling you got what you paid for.
>
>Maybe that's the case with the vehicle too. Why are you so quick to crap on
>JB and so defensive about Jeep?

Not being defensive, I'd just like to see blame put where it belongs. JB did a
brake job, and now it's doing the same thing it was doing before they worked on
it, yet you're quick to blame Jeep, and pointing out TSBs that don't even apply.

>It seems to me like enough jeep vehicles of
>this type have had problems with brakes that maybe there is a problem with
>them. Also I've had about 4-5 recalls on this vehicle. The latest one was a
>gas tank valve. They had to replace the entire tank to take care of it.

Which has what to do with squeaking brakes exactly?

>>
>>
>> Just Brakes. LOL
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>> Mark12211 wrote:
>>>> | http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
>>>> |
>>>> | Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
>>>> |
>>>> | KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class action
>>>> | suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees.
>>>> | Here's the details:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
>>>> | to you.
>>>> |
>>>> | Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
>>>> | counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about defective
>>>> | front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
>>>> |
>>>> | For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
>>>> | 913-888-7100.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
>>>> | to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
>>>> | steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
>>>> | encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
>>>> | seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
>>>> |
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
>>>> | front brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
>>>> | Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Check out the entire article here.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action Lawsuit
>>>> | Over Brakes On Jeeps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer when my
>>>> parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the dealer did the job as
>>>> warranty work, and didn't even charge for labor. Of course, that is in
>>>> Ohio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
>>>> written by the wisest of mules.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
>>>>
>>>> JEGP
>>>> O|||||||O
>>>> NC, USA
>>>>
>>>> MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

bllsht

In message <EAFtd.1488$Eq.586@fe1.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:

>
>"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>news:4u6dr0ht4jlu5gasn1ddemfh6kiq4s29ng@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <%Ultd.3109$0b3.501@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "Brian Foster" wrote:
>>
>>>My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I took to
>>>Just
>>>Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are squeaking again. I brought
>>>it
>>>back to JB and they show me a Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC
>>>to put a kit on that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought
>>>the
>>>car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
>>>entire
>>>issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing bad work/using
>>>cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or problem with
>>>rotors/calipers.
>>
>> It was a TSB, not a recall, and it didn't address squeaking. It was about
>> pulsation.
>
>I never said it was a recall, (I'm familiar with Jeep & recalls) it was a
>service bulliten. The brake company said it should be a recall but that Jeep
>is unwilling to spend the money to recall all the cars involved and would
>rather pay off the people who complain. Does that sound believable to you?

Sure it does. It's called business, and if you think DC is the only company
that tries to save a buck, you're being naive.

>
>>
>>>
>>>So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where this goes.
>>>I
>>>hate a company that will not stand behind their product. Maybe this is the
>>>first and last Jeep I own.
>>
>> First they nail you for a reline, then show you a totally unrelated
>> bulletin 2k
>> miles later when you have the same problem. Instead of stepping up and
>> taking
>> care of it, they blame Jeep and you buy it. Funny they didn't mention the
>> bulletin on your first visit when they took your money, eh?
>
>Yes they did mention it and told me it was about a $600 job. They said I may
>or may not need it.

You either need it or you don't. If they can't tell, I wouldn't let them touch
my car.

I can tell you that if your only complaint was squeaking, then you don't need
it, and JB needs to step up and make it right.

>>
>> I have a feeling you got what you paid for.
>
>Maybe that's the case with the vehicle too. Why are you so quick to crap on
>JB and so defensive about Jeep?

Not being defensive, I'd just like to see blame put where it belongs. JB did a
brake job, and now it's doing the same thing it was doing before they worked on
it, yet you're quick to blame Jeep, and pointing out TSBs that don't even apply.

>It seems to me like enough jeep vehicles of
>this type have had problems with brakes that maybe there is a problem with
>them. Also I've had about 4-5 recalls on this vehicle. The latest one was a
>gas tank valve. They had to replace the entire tank to take care of it.

Which has what to do with squeaking brakes exactly?

>>
>>
>> Just Brakes. LOL
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast. rr.com...
>>>> Mark12211 wrote:
>>>> | http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
>>>> |
>>>> | Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
>>>> |
>>>> | KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class action
>>>> | suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees.
>>>> | Here's the details:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
>>>> | to you.
>>>> |
>>>> | Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
>>>> | counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about defective
>>>> | front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
>>>> |
>>>> | For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
>>>> | 913-888-7100.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
>>>> | to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
>>>> | steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
>>>> | encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
>>>> | seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
>>>> |
>>>> | DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
>>>> | front brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> | The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
>>>> | Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | Check out the entire article here.
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> | TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action Lawsuit
>>>> | Over Brakes On Jeeps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer when my
>>>> parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the dealer did the job as
>>>> warranty work, and didn't even charge for labor. Of course, that is in
>>>> Ohio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
>>>> written by the wisest of mules.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
>>>>
>>>> JEGP
>>>> O|||||||O
>>>> NC, USA
>>>>
>>>> MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Brian Foster

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>

Brian Foster

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>

Brian Foster

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>

Brian Foster

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>

Brian Foster

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IfQtd.733200$8_6.729922@attbi_s04...
> Brian Foster proclaimed:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
>> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
>
> Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
> I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
> fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
> I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
> isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
> cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].
>
>> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
>> on the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be
>> worth crap.
>
> Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
> case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
> managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
> better.
>
> The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
> dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
> the manufacturer's dollars.
>
>>
>> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
>> if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of
>> said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
> If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
> mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
> company?

Legit question: When I took my car back to JB they told me they could make
the brakes stop squeaking but to do so they would need to buy the "kit" from
Jeep dealer (approx$600) that was mentioned on the service bulliten. They
told me that the calipers and rotors on my car were not matched for the
vehicle or that they were just bad (warped) and Jeep knows about it and
that's why they have a service bulliten. They went on to explain that not
every car experinces the problems with the brakes but so many do that Jeep
put out the service bulliten and they know they have a problem with these
brakes on these vehicles.

So I want Jeep to supply the parts "Kit" so I can get this done right. Jeep
dealer says they don't know anything about brake problems on my model/year
car, so that's when I start reading in the group and find out there are lots
of problems with brakes on this model/year vehicle and some people are
getting the problem fixed free.

And now you know how my mind works. Scary, isn't it?
>
> PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
> warranty either.
>
>