IsellJeeps

independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge Ford.... Sprauer
Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent


--
Jarod Sprauer
www.sprauermotorsports.com
281-807-JEEP (5337)

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.
>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
>
> "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Brian Foster wrote:
> > | My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
> > | took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
> > | squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a Jeep
> > | Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on that
> > | includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the car into
> > | the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
> > | entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing
> > | bad work/using cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or
> > | problem with rotors/calipers.
> > |
> > | So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
> > | this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
> > | product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
> > |
> >
> > Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant dealer
> > will
> > (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to a place
> > called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > |
> > | "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > | news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> > || Mark12211 wrote:
> > ||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
> > |||
> > ||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
> > |||
> > ||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
> > ||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
> > ||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
> > |||
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
> > ||| to you.
> > |||
> > ||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
> > ||| counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about
> > ||| defective front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
> > |||
> > ||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
> > ||| 913-888-7100.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
> > ||| to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
> > ||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
> > ||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
> > ||| seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
> > |||
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
> > ||| front brakes.
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
> > ||| Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Check out the entire article here.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
> > ||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
> > ||
> > ||
> > || Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer
> > || when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the
> > || dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even charge for
> > || labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
> > ||
> > ||
> > || --
> > || Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > || written by the wisest of mules.
> > ||
> > || http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> > ||
> > || JEGP
> > || O|||||||O
> > || NC, USA
> > ||
> > || MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > written by the wisest of mules.
> >
> > http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> >
> > JEGP
> > O|||||||O
> > NC, USA
> >
> > MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
>
>

IsellJeeps

independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge Ford.... Sprauer
Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent


--
Jarod Sprauer
www.sprauermotorsports.com
281-807-JEEP (5337)

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.
>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
>
> "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Brian Foster wrote:
> > | My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
> > | took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
> > | squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a Jeep
> > | Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on that
> > | includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the car into
> > | the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
> > | entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing
> > | bad work/using cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or
> > | problem with rotors/calipers.
> > |
> > | So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
> > | this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
> > | product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
> > |
> >
> > Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant dealer
> > will
> > (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to a place
> > called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > |
> > | "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > | news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> > || Mark12211 wrote:
> > ||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
> > |||
> > ||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
> > |||
> > ||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
> > ||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
> > ||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
> > |||
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
> > ||| to you.
> > |||
> > ||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
> > ||| counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about
> > ||| defective front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
> > |||
> > ||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
> > ||| 913-888-7100.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
> > ||| to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
> > ||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
> > ||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
> > ||| seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
> > |||
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
> > ||| front brakes.
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
> > ||| Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Check out the entire article here.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
> > ||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
> > ||
> > ||
> > || Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer
> > || when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the
> > || dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even charge for
> > || labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
> > ||
> > ||
> > || --
> > || Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > || written by the wisest of mules.
> > ||
> > || http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> > ||
> > || JEGP
> > || O|||||||O
> > || NC, USA
> > ||
> > || MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > written by the wisest of mules.
> >
> > http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> >
> > JEGP
> > O|||||||O
> > NC, USA
> >
> > MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
>
>

IsellJeeps

independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge Ford.... Sprauer
Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent


--
Jarod Sprauer
www.sprauermotorsports.com
281-807-JEEP (5337)

"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?
> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant
on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.
>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse
if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.
>
>
> "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Brian Foster wrote:
> > | My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
> > | took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
> > | squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a Jeep
> > | Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on that
> > | includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the car into
> > | the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them about the
> > | entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just brakes for doing
> > | bad work/using cheap pads said they new nothing about a recall or
> > | problem with rotors/calipers.
> > |
> > | So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
> > | this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
> > | product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
> > |
> >
> > Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant dealer
> > will
> > (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to a place
> > called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > |
> > | "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > | news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> > || Mark12211 wrote:
> > ||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
> > |||
> > ||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
> > |||
> > ||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
> > ||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
> > ||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
> > |||
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming
> > ||| to you.
> > |||
> > ||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson
> > ||| counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about
> > ||| defective front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.
> > |||
> > ||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
> > ||| 913-888-7100.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open
> > ||| to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
> > ||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
> > ||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor,
> > ||| seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
> > |||
> > ||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the
> > ||| front brakes.
> > |||
> > ||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and
> > ||| Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| Check out the entire article here.
> > |||
> > |||
> > ||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
> > ||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
> > ||
> > ||
> > || Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the dealer
> > || when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem, the
> > || dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even charge for
> > || labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
> > ||
> > ||
> > || --
> > || Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > || written by the wisest of mules.
> > ||
> > || http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> > ||
> > || JEGP
> > || O|||||||O
> > || NC, USA
> > ||
> > || MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
> > written by the wisest of mules.
> >
> > http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
> >
> > JEGP
> > O|||||||O
> > NC, USA
> >
> > MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
> >
> >
>
>

marko

SoK66 wrote:
> I'm not sure about the caliper alignment, but the one's they installed are
> of a newer design. When I complained about it my dealer Service Manager took
> it in immediately and swapped them out. He said it's a campaign and covered
> by a DC TSB. (Not sure the number). I think '02 MY was the change point for
> the newer caliper design for WJs, not sure.

Newer design, caliper is different. Original 1999 - 05/2002 pads are not
compatible with TSB calipers. Nick enlightened me (after I had wasted
the TSB rotors as well) that newer design should dissipate heat more evenly.

And a comment about parts in Europe: I was quoted 247EUR for mopar
metallic front pad set that fits the TSB calipers. Local jeep dealer
(Helsinki) did not have that many spare parts at hand for WJs, but by
miracle new mopar rotors and pads are availabe :-)
By comparison Stillen pad set is roughly 90USD, mopar ones less. I did
not dare to ask quote on warping mopar rotors...


Marko

marko

SoK66 wrote:
> I'm not sure about the caliper alignment, but the one's they installed are
> of a newer design. When I complained about it my dealer Service Manager took
> it in immediately and swapped them out. He said it's a campaign and covered
> by a DC TSB. (Not sure the number). I think '02 MY was the change point for
> the newer caliper design for WJs, not sure.

Newer design, caliper is different. Original 1999 - 05/2002 pads are not
compatible with TSB calipers. Nick enlightened me (after I had wasted
the TSB rotors as well) that newer design should dissipate heat more evenly.

And a comment about parts in Europe: I was quoted 247EUR for mopar
metallic front pad set that fits the TSB calipers. Local jeep dealer
(Helsinki) did not have that many spare parts at hand for WJs, but by
miracle new mopar rotors and pads are availabe :-)
By comparison Stillen pad set is roughly 90USD, mopar ones less. I did
not dare to ask quote on warping mopar rotors...


Marko

marko

SoK66 wrote:
> I'm not sure about the caliper alignment, but the one's they installed are
> of a newer design. When I complained about it my dealer Service Manager took
> it in immediately and swapped them out. He said it's a campaign and covered
> by a DC TSB. (Not sure the number). I think '02 MY was the change point for
> the newer caliper design for WJs, not sure.

Newer design, caliper is different. Original 1999 - 05/2002 pads are not
compatible with TSB calipers. Nick enlightened me (after I had wasted
the TSB rotors as well) that newer design should dissipate heat more evenly.

And a comment about parts in Europe: I was quoted 247EUR for mopar
metallic front pad set that fits the TSB calipers. Local jeep dealer
(Helsinki) did not have that many spare parts at hand for WJs, but by
miracle new mopar rotors and pads are availabe :-)
By comparison Stillen pad set is roughly 90USD, mopar ones less. I did
not dare to ask quote on warping mopar rotors...


Marko

Joseph P

IsellJeeps wrote:
| independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge
| Ford.... Sprauer Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent
|
|
|
| "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
| news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
|| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
|| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
|| companies?
|| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
|| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
|| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong
|| or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer
|| and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's
|| your problem. You fix it.
||
||
|| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|| news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
||| Brian Foster wrote:
|||| My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
|||| took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
|||| squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a
|||| Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on
|||| that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the
|||| car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them
|||| about the entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just
|||| brakes for doing bad work/using cheap pads said they new
|||| nothing about a recall or problem with rotors/calipers.
||||
|||| So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
|||| this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
|||| product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
||||
|||
||| Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant
||| dealer will
||| (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to
||| a place called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
||||
|||| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|||| news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
||||| Mark12211 wrote:
|||||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
||||||
|||||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
|||||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
||||||
|||||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
|||||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
|||||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
||||||
||||||
||||||
|||||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money
|||||| coming to you.
||||||
|||||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and
|||||| Johnson counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information
|||||| about defective front brakes on model years 1999 through
|||||| 2004.
||||||
|||||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
|||||| 913-888-7100.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only
|||||| open to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
||||||
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
|||||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
|||||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel,
|||||| floor, seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
||||||
|||||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with
|||||| the front brakes.
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas
|||||| and Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the
|||||| brakes.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Check out the entire article here.
||||||
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
|||||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
|||||
|||||
||||| Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the
||||| dealer when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem,
||||| the dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even
||||| charge for labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
|||||
|||||
||||| --
||||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its
||||| entirety, written by the wisest of mules.
|||||
||||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||||
||||| JEGP
||||| O|||||||O
||||| NC, USA
|||||
||||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
|||
|||
|||
||| --
||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
||| written by the wisest of mules.
|||
||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||
||| JEGP
||| O|||||||O
||| NC, USA
|||
||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP


Even if it a dealership that sells mainly one brand, such as a
Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler dealership, they are not owned by DCX, the company is
owned by some guy that makes a bunch of money selling cars. They just go
through a certification process, much like buying a franshised restaurant,
such as McDonald's or Applebee's.

The "fice star" dealer thing is different, that is a mechanic/shop
certification. Most dealerships, at least where I am from, the shop and the
sales sides of the dealership are two different companies, although the
owner may be the same guy.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP

Joseph P

IsellJeeps wrote:
| independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge
| Ford.... Sprauer Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent
|
|
|
| "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
| news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
|| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
|| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
|| companies?
|| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
|| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
|| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong
|| or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer
|| and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's
|| your problem. You fix it.
||
||
|| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|| news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
||| Brian Foster wrote:
|||| My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
|||| took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
|||| squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a
|||| Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on
|||| that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the
|||| car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them
|||| about the entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just
|||| brakes for doing bad work/using cheap pads said they new
|||| nothing about a recall or problem with rotors/calipers.
||||
|||| So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
|||| this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
|||| product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
||||
|||
||| Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant
||| dealer will
||| (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to
||| a place called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
||||
|||| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|||| news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
||||| Mark12211 wrote:
|||||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
||||||
|||||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
|||||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
||||||
|||||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
|||||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
|||||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
||||||
||||||
||||||
|||||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money
|||||| coming to you.
||||||
|||||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and
|||||| Johnson counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information
|||||| about defective front brakes on model years 1999 through
|||||| 2004.
||||||
|||||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
|||||| 913-888-7100.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only
|||||| open to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
||||||
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
|||||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
|||||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel,
|||||| floor, seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
||||||
|||||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with
|||||| the front brakes.
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas
|||||| and Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the
|||||| brakes.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Check out the entire article here.
||||||
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
|||||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
|||||
|||||
||||| Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the
||||| dealer when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem,
||||| the dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even
||||| charge for labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
|||||
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||||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its
||||| entirety, written by the wisest of mules.
|||||
||||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||||
||||| JEGP
||||| O|||||||O
||||| NC, USA
|||||
||||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
|||
|||
|||
||| --
||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
||| written by the wisest of mules.
|||
||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||
||| JEGP
||| O|||||||O
||| NC, USA
|||
||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP


Even if it a dealership that sells mainly one brand, such as a
Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler dealership, they are not owned by DCX, the company is
owned by some guy that makes a bunch of money selling cars. They just go
through a certification process, much like buying a franshised restaurant,
such as McDonald's or Applebee's.

The "fice star" dealer thing is different, that is a mechanic/shop
certification. Most dealerships, at least where I am from, the shop and the
sales sides of the dealership are two different companies, although the
owner may be the same guy.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP

Joseph P

IsellJeeps wrote:
| independent dealer means not a freanchise like Jeep Dodge
| Ford.... Sprauer Motorsports is my car lot and I am independent
|
|
|
| "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
| news:UsFtd.1431$Eq.363@fe1.texas.rr.com...
|| I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer.
|| Are all dealers independent or are some owned by the car
|| companies?
|| If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very
|| dependant on the dealer to provide good service or their brand
|| name will not be worth crap.
||
|| I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong
|| or worse if there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer
|| and jeep would of said tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's
|| your problem. You fix it.
||
||
|| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|| news:7lCtd.7112$Pw1.1100256@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
||| Brian Foster wrote:
|||| My brakes on my 02 GC were squeaking terribly @ 40,000 miles. I
|||| took to Just Brakes and got re-lined. Now @ 42,000 they are
|||| squeaking again. I brought it back to JB and they show me a
|||| Jeep Service Bulletin for all 99-02 WJ/WG/GC to put a kit on
|||| that includes new rotors and calipers ($600). I brought the
|||| car into the dealer (for a gas tank recall) and asked them
|||| about the entire issue. They said it was crap, blamed just
|||| brakes for doing bad work/using cheap pads said they new
|||| nothing about a recall or problem with rotors/calipers.
||||
|||| So I just e-mailed Jeep.com with my complaint. We'll see where
|||| this goes. I hate a company that will not stand behind their
|||| product. Maybe this is the first and last Jeep I own.
||||
|||
||| Jeep stands by their vehicles, I can't help what an independant
||| dealer will
||| (or will not) do. Of course, that is what you get for going to
||| a place called "just brakes." Next try, try "Do-it Yourself."
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
||||
|||| "Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
|||| news:0a7sd.26303$Mu3.1633623@twister.southeast.rr. com...
||||| Mark12211 wrote:
|||||| http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...12/detail.html
||||||
|||||| Another Grand Cherokee Class Action Suit Forming Against
|||||| DaimlerChrysler - posted 11/24/2004
||||||
|||||| KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class
|||||| action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand
|||||| Cherokees. Here's the details:
||||||
||||||
||||||
|||||| If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money
|||||| coming to you.
||||||
|||||| Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and
|||||| Johnson counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information
|||||| about defective front brakes on model years 1999 through
|||||| 2004.
||||||
|||||| For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at
|||||| 913-888-7100.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only
|||||| open to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:
||||||
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the
|||||| steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers
|||||| encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel,
|||||| floor, seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.
||||||
|||||| DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with
|||||| the front brakes.
||||||
|||||| The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas
|||||| and Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the
|||||| brakes.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Check out the entire article here.
||||||
||||||
|||||| TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Firm Files Class-Action
|||||| Lawsuit Over Brakes On Jeeps
|||||
|||||
||||| Hid brake problems....funny, I knew about it, so did the
||||| dealer when my parents took theirs in. It is such a problem,
||||| the dealer did the job as warranty work, and didn't even
||||| charge for labor. Of course, that is in Ohio.
|||||
|||||
||||| --
||||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its
||||| entirety, written by the wisest of mules.
|||||
||||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||||
||||| JEGP
||||| O|||||||O
||||| NC, USA
|||||
||||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP
|||
|||
|||
||| --
||| Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
||| written by the wisest of mules.
|||
||| http://www.----inggoogleit.com/
|||
||| JEGP
||| O|||||||O
||| NC, USA
|||
||| MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP


Even if it a dealership that sells mainly one brand, such as a
Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler dealership, they are not owned by DCX, the company is
owned by some guy that makes a bunch of money selling cars. They just go
through a certification process, much like buying a franshised restaurant,
such as McDonald's or Applebee's.

The "fice star" dealer thing is different, that is a mechanic/shop
certification. Most dealerships, at least where I am from, the shop and the
sales sides of the dealership are two different companies, although the
owner may be the same guy.


--
Disclaimer: A large chunk of the preceding was, in its entirety,
written by the wisest of mules.

http://www.----inggoogleit.com/

JEGP
O|||||||O
NC, USA

MSN:JEGP AOL:JEGP

Lon

Brian Foster proclaimed:

> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by independent dealer. Are all
> dealers independent or are some owned by the car companies?

Does anyone here know of *any* dealer that is owned by a manufacturer?
I can remember when Porsche and a coupla others used to be somewhat
fussy about which dealers they would allow to carry a franchise, but
I've never seen a manufacturer owned dealer... not saying there
isn't any, just never heard of one except back when Sears Roebuck sold
cars by mail order [with or without accompanying bride].

> If the car companies do not own the dealers then they are very dependant on
> the dealer to provide good service or their brand name will not be worth
> crap.

Some auto manufacturers have been known to pull a franchise, the only
case I ever heard of was the Porsche dealer in Omaha, but that dealer
managed to get the franchise back by hiring and stocking parts a bit
better.

The manufacturer wants the dealers to buy cars...whether or not the
dealer sells them to you or anyone else is beyond the scope of
the manufacturer's dollars.

>
> I'm glad I didn't try it myself because I would of done it wrong or worse if
> there is a problem with the brakes, both the dealer and jeep would of said
> tough luck, you screwed em up, now it's your problem. You fix it.

If you had your brakes serviced by one company, how on earth does your
mind work that you consider this *not* to be the fault of that brake
company?

PS. Midas Mufflers and AAMCO transmissions aren't covered by your Jeep
warranty either.