CJ8 carbon deposits?
10-04-2003, 11:36 AM
#31
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
good to know, thank you both.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
: Not that I have ever seen.
:
: The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
: stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline variety).
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
: > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating. LOL!
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Paul Brogren wrote:
: > : >
: > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
amount
: > of
: > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
My
: > condo
: > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
: > : > Thanks Always,
: > : > Paul
: > : >
: > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
: > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
seem
: > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
mosquito
: > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
summer
: > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
: > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in, fired
it
: > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
spray
: > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
: > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
on
: > : > > the end looked like new.
: > : > >
: > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
: > : > > wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of ATF
to
: > : > > > decarbon an engine.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
new
: > with a
: > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down the
carb
: > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
Pour
: > too
: > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
Start it
: > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but have
no
: > : > > > first hand experience on that.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > Mike
: > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > > >
: > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
have
: > very
: > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
of
: > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
appears
: > VERY
: > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
deposit.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year I've
put
: > on
: > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
never
: > quite
: > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis confirm
that
: > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
engine to
: > get
: > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
gas
: > that
: > : > > > > will remove them safely??
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine industry,
but
: > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will work??
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Thanks.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Mike
: > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > : > > --
: > : > > Will Honea
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
: Not that I have ever seen.
:
: The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
: stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline variety).
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
: > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating. LOL!
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Paul Brogren wrote:
: > : >
: > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
amount
: > of
: > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
My
: > condo
: > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
: > : > Thanks Always,
: > : > Paul
: > : >
: > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
: > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
seem
: > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
mosquito
: > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
summer
: > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
: > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in, fired
it
: > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
spray
: > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
: > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
on
: > : > > the end looked like new.
: > : > >
: > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
: > : > > wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of ATF
to
: > : > > > decarbon an engine.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
new
: > with a
: > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down the
carb
: > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
Pour
: > too
: > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
Start it
: > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but have
no
: > : > > > first hand experience on that.
: > : > > >
: > : > > > Mike
: > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > > >
: > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
have
: > very
: > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
of
: > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
appears
: > VERY
: > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
deposit.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year I've
put
: > on
: > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
never
: > quite
: > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis confirm
that
: > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
engine to
: > get
: > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
gas
: > that
: > : > > > > will remove them safely??
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine industry,
but
: > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will work??
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Thanks.
: > : > > > >
: > : > > > > Mike
: > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > : > > --
: > : > > Will Honea
10-04-2003, 11:44 AM
#32
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
In appropriate amounts water works wonders on carbon build up. If you've
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
10-04-2003, 11:44 AM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
In appropriate amounts water works wonders on carbon build up. If you've
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
10-04-2003, 11:44 AM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
In appropriate amounts water works wonders on carbon build up. If you've
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
ever torn down an engine that's had an internal coolant leak into the
combustion chambers (bad head gasket, head crack, etc.) the only piece of
good news is the lack of carbon. Combustion chambers are nearly clean as
new.
Another tactic to get carbon off the intake valves of newer engines with FI,
EGR and retarded ignition timing has been to blow crushed walnut shells
through the intake ports (with the valves closed, of course). Audi and BMW
were using this as a fix back in the 80's and apparently it's still a
recognized cure. I'm not sure if you are required to eat all the walnuts
first as part of the procedure and suggested repair time.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0OBfb.8755$6K6.73122859@news-text.cableinet.net...
> good to know, thank you both.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F7EE443.BE4EEEA0@sympatico.ca...
> : Not that I have ever seen.
> :
> : The garages use it as a part of a tune up for 'city' driven vehicles to
> : stop pinging and I never saw one come back with any troubles.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Any cat implications with ATF ? (other than the choking feline
variety).
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F7C4A55.54B45C4D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : When I say 'one massive' cloud of smoke, I am not exaggerating.
LOL!
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Paul Brogren wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm gonna try the water spray tonight. I didn't realize that the
> amount
> : > of
> : > : > ATF smoke could be as bad as you say. Good thing I didn't try it.
> My
> : > condo
> : > : > neighbors would be quite upset for sure.
> : > : > Thanks Always,
> : > : > Paul
> : > : >
> : > : > "Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-qq2jcfoBT950@anon.none.net...
> : > : > > I use water myself, but I tried ATF once here while back. Both
> seem
> : > : > > to work but the smoke cloud put out by the ATF would make a
> mosquito
> : > : > > fogger proud! Best evidence I've got of it working was this
> summer
> : > : > > when I changed the plugs - pulled a couple and they had a bit of
> : > : > > carbon on the body close to the threads. Put them back in,
fired
> it
> : > : > > up and ran about a quart of water thru it - I cheat and use a
> spray
> : > : > > bottle to squirt it in so that I get a steady stream of droplets
> : > : > > instead of a big splash - and when I pulled the plugs everything
> on
> : > : > > the end looked like new.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:26:05 UTC Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>
> : > : > > wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > > I worked in garages for years and they always used a pint of
ATF
> to
> : > : > > > decarbon an engine.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I did it to my CJ before a head gasket job and it looked like
> new
> : > with a
> : > : > > > couple big loose chunks of carbon still in a couple cylinders.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > You heat up the engine and slowly pour the pint of ATF down
the
> carb
> : > : > > > while keeping your hand on the throttle to keep it running.
> Pour
> : > too
> : > : > > > fast and it will stall out, you don't want that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Then when it's finished shut it down for 10 minutes or so.
> Start it
> : > : > > > back up and rev it good and you are good to go.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > It makes one massive cloud of smoke, but does a sweet job.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > I have been told that a pint of water will do the same, but
have
> no
> : > : > > > first hand experience on that.
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > Mike
> : > : > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > > >
> : > : > > > pomerom@yahoo.com wrote:
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I'm getting my CJ8 six cylinder in shape.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I recently replaced the spark plugs. Though old in age they
> have
> : > very
> : > : > > > > few miles on them; they looked very good -- except for a lot
> of
> : > : > > > > carbon-looking darkness away from the gap.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I also shined a bright light into the cylinders where it
> appears
> : > VERY
> : > : > > > > dark and carbon-like on the top of the pistons; like a
> deposit.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > This is probably due to the couple of hundred miles/year
I've
> put
> : > on
> : > : > > > > the Scrambler for the past few years; along with the old,
> never
> : > quite
> : > : > > > > right stock carburator (now replaced with a Weber).
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Engine seems in great shape and repeated oil analysis
confirm
> that
> : > : > > > > there is very little wear over the 51,000 miles.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Question is -- is there some way without dismantling the
> engine to
> : > get
> : > : > > > > rid of these deposits? Is there something I can put in the
> gas
> : > that
> : > : > > > > will remove them safely??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > I've been told this is a common issue in the marine
industry,
> but
> : > : > > > > don't know what to use. If there is anything that will
work??
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Any suggestions, please .....
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Thanks.
> : > : > > > >
> : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > > > > Michael Pomeroy
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > > --
> : > : > > Will Honea
>
>
10-04-2003, 01:06 PM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
10-04-2003, 01:06 PM
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
10-04-2003, 01:06 PM
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
> even if it is the feline variety. :)
10-05-2003, 05:32 AM
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
you would have thought cats would give you loads of respect for being able
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F7EFE28.CA7140B1@***.net...
: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)
10-05-2003, 05:32 AM
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
you would have thought cats would give you loads of respect for being able
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F7EFE28.CA7140B1@***.net...
: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F7EFE28.CA7140B1@***.net...
: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)
10-05-2003, 05:32 AM
#40
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Re: CJ8 carbon deposits?
you would have thought cats would give you loads of respect for being able
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F7EFE28.CA7140B1@***.net...
: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)
to Hunt Really Big Things, but nah !
I have no idea why I just said that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F7EFE28.CA7140B1@***.net...
: Thirty years ago all transmission fluid, except for Ford was whale
: oil, your cat might have enjoyed that.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: DougW wrote:
: >
: > Possibly. Water would be a better choice if you have a cat
: > even if it is the feline variety. :)