CJ7 Windshield Wiper Problem
03-20-2005, 10:25 PM
#41
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Re: CJ7 Windshield Wiper Problem
Just to follow up, I replaced the wiper motor today. There's no easy
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
03-20-2005, 10:25 PM
#42
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Re: CJ7 Windshield Wiper Problem
Just to follow up, I replaced the wiper motor today. There's no easy
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
03-20-2005, 10:25 PM
#43
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Re: CJ7 Windshield Wiper Problem
Just to follow up, I replaced the wiper motor today. There's no easy
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
way to flip the wipers the way I wanted. It would require extensive
mods to the pivot mounts to make it work. Not worth the trouble.
Clap Trap wrote:
> Yes Lee, that's what I want.
>
> Actually Mike, I have a YJ windshield on my CJ. The YJ linkages are
> MUCH better, they have good ball joints in them and are significantly
> stiffer than the CJ style. I had to retain the CJ motor though since it
> is a 3 wire and the YJ has 4. Anyway, I don't think alignment is as
> critical. I just wondered if repositioning the passenger side pivot arm
> might do it. When I get around to replacing the motor, maybe I'll give
> it a shot. If I do and it works, I'll pass it along.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> The linkages are extremely touchy about the angles inside too. They
>> will jam really easy if the alignment isn't perfect. The movement is
>> almost over center on each side as it is so some major parts work would
>> be needed.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean to make them do this?
>>>
>>> ( / \ )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( \ / )
>>> ( | | )
>>> ( / \ )
>>>
>>> You'd have to redesign the linkage and reposition the wiper mounts.
>>> As it
>>> came from the factory, the motor drives a gear box that drives a
>>> connecting rod attached to a bell crank on the left wiper. The right
>>> wiper
>>> is driven by a bell crank and connecting rod from the left wiper.
>>>
>>> Getting the wipers to move in opposite directions might be as easy as
>>> inverting the right hand bell crank, but the wipers will probably
>>> interfere
>>> with each other unless you move one of them, and that means making a new
>>> connecting rod.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I repositioned the "Park" switch on my motor to make them park to
>>> the other side. I like the way they wipe better that way.
>>>
>>> Or, you could install single-arm vacuum-operated wiper motors...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Clap Trap wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I assume from his last response, your suggestion fixed him up. But,
>>>> along the same lines, do you know of any way to make them that way on
>>>> purpose and properly? I don't mean just putting the wipers on the
>>>> stems
>>>> wrong, I mean instead of my wipers being like normal ( // ) I want them
>>>> to be together at the middle ( /\ ) so that both driver and passenger
>>>> have an unobstructed view. I'm about to replace the wiper motor so
>>>> I'll
>>>> be in there with the guts anyway. It seems like I should be able to
>>>> simply move the linkage. Anybody done this?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I defer to your plainly more vivid memories of topless women with
>>> whips....r"
>>> R. H. Draney recalls AFU in the Good Old Days.
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