Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

Hi Bill,
http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees
over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an
opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an
1/8" for government work.
http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven
> I have to take off my shoes.
>
> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ?
> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9"
> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8"
> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8"
>
> Thanks!

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

Hi Bill,
http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees
over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an
opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an
1/8" for government work.
http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven
> I have to take off my shoes.
>
> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ?
> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9"
> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8"
> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8"
>
> Thanks!

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

Especially in this case..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees
> over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an
> opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an
> 1/8" for government work.
> http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past
>> eleven
>> I have to take off my shoes.
>>
>> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ?
>> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9"
>> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8"
>> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8"
>>
>> Thanks!

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

Especially in this case..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees
> over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an
> opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an
> 1/8" for government work.
> http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past
>> eleven
>> I have to take off my shoes.
>>
>> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ?
>> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9"
>> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8"
>> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8"
>>
>> Thanks!

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

Especially in this case..


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net...
> Hi Bill,
> http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees
> over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an
> opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an
> 1/8" for government work.
> http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past
>> eleven
>> I have to take off my shoes.
>>
>> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ?
>> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9"
>> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8"
>> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8"
>>
>> Thanks!

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect.

To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when
you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that
goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were
messing with the steering drag link.

The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice
to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter
of turning that sleeve.

Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure
it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from
side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire
up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have
mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back.

If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the
steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the
tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers
pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded
ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote:
>
> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in
> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I
> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed
> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the
> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve.
>
> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I
> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is
> 20-20).
>
> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't
> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term
> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks.
> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the
> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event.
>
> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift"
> and it's got power steering.
>
> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering
> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat
> front and rear and then adjust accordingly.
>
> Thanks

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect.

To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when
you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that
goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were
messing with the steering drag link.

The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice
to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter
of turning that sleeve.

Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure
it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from
side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire
up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have
mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back.

If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the
steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the
tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers
pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded
ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote:
>
> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in
> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I
> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed
> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the
> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve.
>
> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I
> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is
> 20-20).
>
> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't
> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term
> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks.
> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the
> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event.
>
> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift"
> and it's got power steering.
>
> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering
> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat
> front and rear and then adjust accordingly.
>
> Thanks

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect.

To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when
you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that
goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were
messing with the steering drag link.

The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice
to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter
of turning that sleeve.

Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure
it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from
side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire
up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have
mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back.

If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the
steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the
tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers
pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded
ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote:
>
> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in
> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I
> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed
> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the
> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve.
>
> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I
> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is
> 20-20).
>
> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't
> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term
> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks.
> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the
> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event.
>
> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift"
> and it's got power steering.
>
> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering
> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat
> front and rear and then adjust accordingly.
>
> Thanks

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

You have to loosen the stabilizer?

> If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the
> steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the
> tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers
> pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded
> ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06

Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
 

You have to loosen the stabilizer?

> If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the
> steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the
> tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers
> pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded
> ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06