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CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in
doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is 20-20). Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" and it's got power steering. Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat front and rear and then adjust accordingly. Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We did
it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough until you get it to an alignment shop. Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. Chris <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We did
it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough until you get it to an alignment shop. Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. Chris <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We did
it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough until you get it to an alignment shop. Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. Chris <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ?
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We > did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough > until you get it to an alignment shop. > > Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe > a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is > to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as > the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way > around the tire. Do this on each side. > > Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner > of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe > measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the > edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and > measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front > and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe > setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. > > Chris > > <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >> >> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >> 20-20). >> >> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >> >> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >> and it's got power steering. >> >> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >> >> Thanks >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ?
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We > did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough > until you get it to an alignment shop. > > Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe > a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is > to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as > the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way > around the tire. Do this on each side. > > Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner > of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe > measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the > edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and > measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front > and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe > setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. > > Chris > > <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >> >> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >> 20-20). >> >> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >> >> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >> and it's got power steering. >> >> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >> >> Thanks >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ?
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We > did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough > until you get it to an alignment shop. > > Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to scribe > a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do this is > to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, such as > the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the way > around the tire. Do this on each side. > > Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner > of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe > measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the > edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and > measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the front > and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your toe > setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed out. > > Chris > > <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >> >> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >> 20-20). >> >> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >> >> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >> and it's got power steering. >> >> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >> >> Thanks >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this,
yours falls in that category as well. http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html Chris "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... > What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? > > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >> until you get it to an alignment shop. >> >> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >> >> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner >> of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe >> measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the >> edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and >> measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your >> toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed >> out. >> >> Chris >> >> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>> >>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>> 20-20). >>> >>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>> >>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>> and it's got power steering. >>> >>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this,
yours falls in that category as well. http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html Chris "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... > What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? > > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >> until you get it to an alignment shop. >> >> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >> >> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner >> of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe >> measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the >> edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and >> measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your >> toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed >> out. >> >> Chris >> >> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>> >>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>> 20-20). >>> >>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>> >>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>> and it's got power steering. >>> >>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this,
yours falls in that category as well. http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html Chris "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... > What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? > > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >> until you get it to an alignment shop. >> >> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >> >> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each corner >> of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the toe >> measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring the >> edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle and >> measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have your >> toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are toed >> out. >> >> Chris >> >> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>> >>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>> 20-20). >>> >>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>> >>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>> and it's got power steering. >>> >>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be
converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of ..11 is .00192 so the formula would be: tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in Chris "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, > yours falls in that category as well. > > http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html > > Chris > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >> >> >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >>> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >>> until you get it to an alignment shop. >>> >>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >>> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >>> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >>> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>> >>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the >>> toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring >>> the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle >>> and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >>> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have >>> your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are >>> toed out. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>> >>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>> 20-20). >>>> >>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>> >>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>> and it's got power steering. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be
converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of ..11 is .00192 so the formula would be: tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in Chris "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, > yours falls in that category as well. > > http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html > > Chris > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >> >> >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >>> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >>> until you get it to an alignment shop. >>> >>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >>> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >>> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >>> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>> >>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the >>> toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring >>> the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle >>> and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >>> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have >>> your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are >>> toed out. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>> >>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>> 20-20). >>>> >>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>> >>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>> and it's got power steering. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be
converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of ..11 is .00192 so the formula would be: tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in Chris "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, > yours falls in that category as well. > > http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html > > Chris > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >> >> >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. We >>> did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close enough >>> until you get it to an alignment shop. >>> >>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to do >>> this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something solid, >>> such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is all the >>> way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>> >>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do the >>> toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and bring >>> the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the spindle >>> and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do this on the >>> front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and you have >>> your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the tires are >>> toed out. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the >>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>> >>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>> 20-20). >>>> >>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>> >>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>> and it's got power steering. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven
I have to take off my shoes. XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" Thanks! "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:d9jWg.1799$IO2.414@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be > converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the > tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the > toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of > .11 is .00192 so the formula would be: > > tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in > > Chris > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, >> yours falls in that category as well. >> >> http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html >> >> Chris >> >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >>> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >>> >>> >>> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >>> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. >>>> We did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close >>>> enough until you get it to an alignment shop. >>>> >>>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to >>>> do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something >>>> solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is >>>> all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>>> >>>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do >>>> the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and >>>> bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the >>>> spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do >>>> this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and >>>> you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the >>>> tires are toed out. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed >>>>> the >>>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>>> >>>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>>> 20-20). >>>>> >>>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>>> >>>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>>> and it's got power steering. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven
I have to take off my shoes. XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" Thanks! "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:d9jWg.1799$IO2.414@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be > converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the > tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the > toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of > .11 is .00192 so the formula would be: > > tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in > > Chris > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, >> yours falls in that category as well. >> >> http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html >> >> Chris >> >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >>> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >>> >>> >>> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >>> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. >>>> We did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close >>>> enough until you get it to an alignment shop. >>>> >>>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to >>>> do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something >>>> solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is >>>> all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>>> >>>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do >>>> the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and >>>> bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the >>>> spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do >>>> this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and >>>> you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the >>>> tires are toed out. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed >>>>> the >>>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>>> >>>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>>> 20-20). >>>>> >>>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>>> >>>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>>> and it's got power steering. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven
I have to take off my shoes. XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" Thanks! "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:d9jWg.1799$IO2.414@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Oops, my bad, the post I referred to is in degrees, but that can be > converted using some simple trig and your tire size. Just multiply the > tangent of the toe in angle times your tire diameter and you will get the > toe in per side. Multiply that times 2 to get total toe in. the tangent of > .11 is .00192 so the formula would be: > > tire dia. * .00192 * 2 for total toe in > > Chris > > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message > news:B0jWg.1782$IO2.1131@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> Most vehicles will be between 0 and 1/8" toe in, and according to this, >> yours falls in that category as well. >> >> http://lists.off-road.com/pipermail/...ay/027708.html >> >> Chris >> >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:47be1$4529b043$422afc51$18548@FUSE.NET... >>> What is the toe setting for a '96 XJ? >>> >>> >>> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message >>> news:yQhWg.1645$IO2.1217@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>>> If you're mainly worried about the toe adjustment, yes you can do it. >>>> We did it all the time stock car racing, and you can get it close >>>> enough until you get it to an alignment shop. >>>> >>>> Find a level surface. Jack up the front and use a piece of chalk to >>>> scribe a line on the outside diameter of the tire. The easiest way to >>>> do this is to hold the chalk with your hand braced against something >>>> solid, such as the fender. Spin the tire slowly until the chalk line is >>>> all the way around the tire. Do this on each side. >>>> >>>> Now let the vehicle down and settle the springs by pushing on each >>>> corner of the bumpers a couple times. It will require 2 people to do >>>> the toe measurement. Use carpenter squares, or something similar, and >>>> bring the edge of the square up to the chalk line at the height of the >>>> spindle and measure the distance between the squares. You have to do >>>> this on the front and back of the tire. Subtract the 2 measurements and >>>> you have your toe setting. A larger measurement in the front means the >>>> tires are toed out. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> <lynnhowlyn@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1160355627.297212.301490@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com... >>>>> Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in >>>>> doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I >>>>> basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed >>>>> the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed >>>>> the >>>>> tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. >>>>> >>>>> Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I >>>>> should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is >>>>> 20-20). >>>>> >>>>> Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't >>>>> get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term >>>>> future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. >>>>> I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the >>>>> steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. >>>>> >>>>> Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" >>>>> and it's got power steering. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering >>>>> alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat >>>>> front and rear and then adjust accordingly. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Sounds like you were messing with your drag link, which only sets
the steering wheel center: http://www.----------.com/CJalignment.jpg I like an eighth of an inch toe-in as measure at the bulbous most part of the inside tire, I find that works well with oversized off road tires on a straight axle. The easiest way to measure this is with two yard sticks clamped together at the rear of tires at axle height, then an eighth clearance at the front, axle height, confirms. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Sounds like you were messing with your drag link, which only sets
the steering wheel center: http://www.----------.com/CJalignment.jpg I like an eighth of an inch toe-in as measure at the bulbous most part of the inside tire, I find that works well with oversized off road tires on a straight axle. The easiest way to measure this is with two yard sticks clamped together at the rear of tires at axle height, then an eighth clearance at the front, axle height, confirms. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Sounds like you were messing with your drag link, which only sets
the steering wheel center: http://www.----------.com/CJalignment.jpg I like an eighth of an inch toe-in as measure at the bulbous most part of the inside tire, I find that works well with oversized off road tires on a straight axle. The easiest way to measure this is with two yard sticks clamped together at the rear of tires at axle height, then an eighth clearance at the front, axle height, confirms. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Hi Bill,
http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an 1/8" for government work. http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven > I have to take off my shoes. > > XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? > WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" > 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" > 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" > > Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Hi Bill,
http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an 1/8" for government work. http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven > I have to take off my shoes. > > XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? > WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" > 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" > 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" > > Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Hi Bill,
http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an 1/8" for government work. http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past eleven > I have to take off my shoes. > > XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? > WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" > 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" > 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" > > Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Especially in this case..
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees > over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an > opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an > 1/8" for government work. > http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: >> >> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past >> eleven >> I have to take off my shoes. >> >> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? >> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" >> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" >> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" >> >> Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Especially in this case..
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees > over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an > opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an > 1/8" for government work. > http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: >> >> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past >> eleven >> I have to take off my shoes. >> >> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? >> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" >> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" >> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" >> >> Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Especially in this case..
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4529D49F.DA2600E9@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > http://www.----------.com/xjAlign.jpg The adjacent 0.25 degrees > over the 27.7 inch hypotenuse of an right triangle would have an > opposite height of 0.12086481773343481" ;-) Close enough to 0.125" or an > 1/8" for government work. > http://www.saltire.com/applets/triangles/tri1s2a.htm > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: >> >> I last used Trig in the early 70s...... Now if I want to count past >> eleven >> I have to take off my shoes. >> >> XJ 27.7" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.106368 ~ 1/9" ? >> WJ 29.3" x 0.00192 x 2 = 0.112512 ~ 1/9" >> 31s = 0.11904 ~ 1/8" >> 33s = 0.12672 ~1/8" >> >> Thanks! |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect. To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were messing with the steering drag link. The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter of turning that sleeve. Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back. If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect. To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were messing with the steering drag link. The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter of turning that sleeve. Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back. If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
I have been doing my own alignment on my CJ7 for ten years and my tires
wear out perfect. To start, why do you think the alignment is out? If it wasn't out when you started, it still isn't out. You didn't have the 'tie rod' that goes between the two wheels off did you? If not, no issues. You were messing with the steering drag link. The drag link you unhooked only aligns the steering wheel. It is nice to get it straight so the blinkers work right, but that is just a matter of turning that sleeve. Meanwhile if you want to adjust the toe in, you first need to measure it. I use the seam in the tire tread as a measuring point and go from side to side in the front of the tire and then in the back of the tire up as far as I can and keep the tape measure straight. As others have mentioned, you should have about 1/8" less in the front than the back. If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) "lynnhowlyn@aol.com" wrote: > > Just installed a replacement steering gear box on my 83 CJ7 - and in > doing so I couldn't get the tie rod end off the pitman arm, so I > basically unscrewed it from the rest of the tie rod - then installed > the pitman arm/tie rod end onto the replacement gearbox and screwed the > tie rod end back onto the tie rod using the adjustment sleeve. > > Clearly the steering alignment is most likely NOT correct (yes - I > should have measured a bit before I diassembled - but hindsite is > 20-20). > > Due to some scheduling issues and my personal travel schedule, I can't > get into my friendly neighborhood alignment shop in the near term > future, but am planning an off-rod weekend event in a couple weeks. > I'll be trailering the CJ to the event - but would like to get the > steering alignment into the "ballpark" if possible before the event. > > Running 33 inch tires, 2 1/2 in spring lift, 1/2 inch "shackle lift" > and it's got power steering. > > Any suggestions, links to a "do-it-myself" page for DIY steering > alignment? Seems like there's a way to measure across the tire treat > front and rear and then adjust accordingly. > > Thanks |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
You have to loosen the stabilizer?
> If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
You have to loosen the stabilizer?
> If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
You have to loosen the stabilizer?
> If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
billy ray wrote:
> You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 As this group always does - GREAT (and timely) help. Many thanks! Lynn in Vancouver |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
billy ray wrote:
> You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 As this group always does - GREAT (and timely) help. Many thanks! Lynn in Vancouver |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
billy ray wrote:
> You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 As this group always does - GREAT (and timely) help. Many thanks! Lynn in Vancouver |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the
front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. Mike billy ray wrote: > > You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the
front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. Mike billy ray wrote: > > You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the
front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. Mike billy ray wrote: > > You have to loosen the stabilizer? > > > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the > > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the > > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a plumbers > > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded > > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Ahhhh okay..... I couldn't figure why you would have to on an XJ.... It may
well be coming off anyway as it is 10 years old. We will be doing the toe in the next couple days - depending on when the snow starts falling...... A lot of the DW went away when we rotated the tires over the weekend, Ed had one episode of DW on the way to work Monday, on the way home he stopped by Major Bob's and had all four rebalanced. The tire that had 5.5 ounces of weights was broken down and rotated 180 degrees, it now is carrying 2.75 ounces of lead. He had no DW on the trip home. We checked all the linkages like we did last year at the camping trip Jeep Clinic last year and the ball joints by pivoting the tire up with a crowbar. Everything is good and tight with the exception of the sway bar end link bushings. They are all compresses, cracked, and deteriorating. The main bar bushings.... well.... you can see daylight between the bar and the bushing...... Ed just got home..... no DW today and just a little vibration but that may be due to the alignment still being off and the shocks and stabilizer. We were unable to get the stabilizer loose on either end Sunday to check. One of the shocks is completely dead, 2 are making noise and only one seems to be working correctly. They are factory units from '96. We soaked all the nuts/bolts in penetrating liquid Sunday. I guess we will do the shocks/stabilizer when he picks up the parts. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:452B9BF4.43828B94@sympatico.ca... > On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the > front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the > rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. > > Mike > > billy ray wrote: >> >> You have to loosen the stabilizer? >> >> > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the >> > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the >> > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a >> > plumbers >> > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded >> > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Ahhhh okay..... I couldn't figure why you would have to on an XJ.... It may
well be coming off anyway as it is 10 years old. We will be doing the toe in the next couple days - depending on when the snow starts falling...... A lot of the DW went away when we rotated the tires over the weekend, Ed had one episode of DW on the way to work Monday, on the way home he stopped by Major Bob's and had all four rebalanced. The tire that had 5.5 ounces of weights was broken down and rotated 180 degrees, it now is carrying 2.75 ounces of lead. He had no DW on the trip home. We checked all the linkages like we did last year at the camping trip Jeep Clinic last year and the ball joints by pivoting the tire up with a crowbar. Everything is good and tight with the exception of the sway bar end link bushings. They are all compresses, cracked, and deteriorating. The main bar bushings.... well.... you can see daylight between the bar and the bushing...... Ed just got home..... no DW today and just a little vibration but that may be due to the alignment still being off and the shocks and stabilizer. We were unable to get the stabilizer loose on either end Sunday to check. One of the shocks is completely dead, 2 are making noise and only one seems to be working correctly. They are factory units from '96. We soaked all the nuts/bolts in penetrating liquid Sunday. I guess we will do the shocks/stabilizer when he picks up the parts. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:452B9BF4.43828B94@sympatico.ca... > On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the > front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the > rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. > > Mike > > billy ray wrote: >> >> You have to loosen the stabilizer? >> >> > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the >> > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the >> > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a >> > plumbers >> > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded >> > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 |
Re: CJ7 - ballpark alignment - DIY?
Ahhhh okay..... I couldn't figure why you would have to on an XJ.... It may
well be coming off anyway as it is 10 years old. We will be doing the toe in the next couple days - depending on when the snow starts falling...... A lot of the DW went away when we rotated the tires over the weekend, Ed had one episode of DW on the way to work Monday, on the way home he stopped by Major Bob's and had all four rebalanced. The tire that had 5.5 ounces of weights was broken down and rotated 180 degrees, it now is carrying 2.75 ounces of lead. He had no DW on the trip home. We checked all the linkages like we did last year at the camping trip Jeep Clinic last year and the ball joints by pivoting the tire up with a crowbar. Everything is good and tight with the exception of the sway bar end link bushings. They are all compresses, cracked, and deteriorating. The main bar bushings.... well.... you can see daylight between the bar and the bushing...... Ed just got home..... no DW today and just a little vibration but that may be due to the alignment still being off and the shocks and stabilizer. We were unable to get the stabilizer loose on either end Sunday to check. One of the shocks is completely dead, 2 are making noise and only one seems to be working correctly. They are factory units from '96. We soaked all the nuts/bolts in penetrating liquid Sunday. I guess we will do the shocks/stabilizer when he picks up the parts. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:452B9BF4.43828B94@sympatico.ca... > On a CJ7, yes. The tie rod is one straight bar that goes between the > front wheels. The stabilizer bolts onto this rod so you can't spin the > rod to adjust the toe in with the shock tight. > > Mike > > billy ray wrote: >> >> You have to loosen the stabilizer? >> >> > If you have to adjust this it is a pain. You have to loosen off the >> > steering stabilizer shock first and both sleeves on either end of the >> > tie rod. The tie rod will then turn.... Ya right.... I use a >> > plumbers >> > pipe wrench on it to 'help' it along and recommend soaking the threaded >> > ends and sleeves for several days in a good penetrating oil first. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 |
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