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CJ to TJ swap
Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in
my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I know the feeling. On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based suspension conversions to keep up... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I know the feeling. On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based suspension conversions to keep up... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Crushed Red Pepper wrote:
> Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I know the feeling. On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based suspension conversions to keep up... -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon What a pile of pure horseshit! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon What a pile of pure horseshit! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Simon Juncal wrote:
> > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon What a pile of pure horseshit! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Simon Juncal wrote: > > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > > know the feeling. > > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > > suspension conversions to keep up... > > > -- > > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Simon Juncal wrote: > > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > > know the feeling. > > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > > suspension conversions to keep up... > > > -- > > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Rabble!!
On Dec 29, 10:57 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Simon Juncal wrote: > > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > > know the feeling. > > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > > suspension conversions to keep up... > > > -- > > SimonWhat a pile of pure horseshit! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring
conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring
conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring
conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. > > Hate to give up something you've put so much time and effort into... I > know the feeling. > > On the bright side assuming your CJ had the old 258. You've got a better > more durable newer engine, with about the same power in that X even if > it's got two less cylinders (X is the base model 4 banger? Or is that > the SE, and the X is the base 4.0?) if it's the 4.0 it's better AND it's > nearly twice as powerful* as a tired 258. > > *Note: this is where someone (probably Bill) compares the 258's FLYWHEEL > factory rated 100-ish horse power number to the 4.0's REAR WHEEL 140-ish > factory number; and concludes that I'm wrong. > > Your new Jeep rides better and articulates better. Mike and Bill will > disagree, but they are wrong. Mike is wrong because he relies on his own > anecdotal ("I did blahblah, and the TJ couldn't) evidence based on his > high driver skill and experience. Bill is wrong because his Jeep 40 > years ago had leaf springs and that's approximately the same point he > buried his head in the sand and stopped allowing himself to adapt or > evolve. Anyway it's superior and self-evident to anyone paying any > attention to the modern off-roading world where coil suspensions rule > all major dirt sports from Desert racing to Rock Crawling. > > It's heavier, it probably has weaker axles and transfer case (depending > on what your CJ had and how the X is optioned, but besides this is a > more capable 4x4 in stock trim or with identical mods. > In fact at the upper end of the scale (long arm, coil over TJ's), the CJ > will require tricks like "revolver" shackles, or three quarter > elliptical buggy springs or in fact total coil over "link" based > suspension conversions to keep up... > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you.
Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his TJ climbed the pit wall. One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points carefully. You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker panel skid plates for them at least. You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe to route the air intake up and back for off road. Have fun! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you.
Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his TJ climbed the pit wall. One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points carefully. You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker panel skid plates for them at least. You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe to route the air intake up and back for off road. Have fun! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you.
Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his TJ climbed the pit wall. One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points carefully. You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker panel skid plates for them at least. You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe to route the air intake up and back for off road. Have fun! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you. > > Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... > > One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ > is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that > thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out > the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas > pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have > photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his > TJ climbed the pit wall. > > One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the > tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just > digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points > carefully. > > You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling > through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the > Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the > tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker > panel skid plates for them at least. > > You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have > a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash > over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons > to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe > to route the air intake up and back for off road. > > Have fun! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you. > > Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... > > One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ > is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that > thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out > the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas > pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have > photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his > TJ climbed the pit wall. > > One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the > tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just > digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points > carefully. > > You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling > through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the > Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the > tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker > panel skid plates for them at least. > > You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have > a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash > over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons > to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe > to route the air intake up and back for off road. > > Have fun! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Ditto.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Congrats on the new Jeep. Hope it's trouble free for you. > > Where are you located? I know several folks looking for CJ7's.... > > One really funny thing you can do with a TJ that you can't do with a CJ > is to get out and walk it up a sand pit wall. The computer in that > thing will not let it stall, so when you put it in 1st low and let out > the clutch, it will drive itself up a hill without needing any gas > pedal. This is neat because you don't spin tires easy that way. I have > photos of a gent from this newsgroup literally walking outside while his > TJ climbed the pit wall. > > One really bad thing about them on sand or loose dirt climbs is the > tires hop and spin really easily because of the soft springs which just > digs holes really fast. You gotta watch your gas pedal and shift points > carefully. > > You also have to watch out for your rocker panels if you are crawling > through boulders. Unlike the CJ7 which lifted the whole side of the > Jeep up when you ran a tire over a rock, the TJ's coil will just let the > tire come up leaving the rocker panel low. They do make nice rocker > panel skid plates for them at least. > > You will need to watch out for your air intake also. Lots of them have > a ram air scoop just below the headlight so if you have water splash > over the bumper, the engine will take a gulp. This is bad for pistons > to say the least.... I have seen folks from this newsgroup use ABS pipe > to route the air intake up and back for off road. > > Have fun! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Crushed Red Pepper wrote: > > > > Yesterday was a good day and a sad day. I drove to the local dealership in > > my '86 CJ and drove home in a '04 TJ. I got the X model (Columbia edition) > > with 13k miles. So in effect, i am a "new" jeep owner, since this TJ is a > > totally different animal than I what I have been driving for the past 10 > > years. I admit that there were tears in my eyes when I drove off the lot > > and looked back at my old jeep for the last time. The jeep is my daily > > driver and the CJ had gotten to the point where maintenance was a continuous > > affair and was a killer financially so.........what do i have to look > > forward to as I learn about this TJ besides being closer to the ground? I > > will not be able to get this one out on a trail for several months, so don't > > even know how to put it in 4wd yet.....but I won't have to jump out to lock > > in anymore hubs. Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions. |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring > conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring > conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> A TJ with articulation of a Real Jeep after it's leaf spring > conversion: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSprings/ <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four
foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what abortion are you covering up with that sign???? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are > SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four
foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what abortion are you covering up with that sign???? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are > SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four
foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what abortion are you covering up with that sign???? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > <yawn> I can post links to coil converted CJ's all day long, they are > SURE as hell a lot more common than leaf sprung TJ's > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four > foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf > springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS (two of them jeeps). http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell axled TJ. > Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you > will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, > hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > abortion are you covering up with that sign???? Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you to remove the former from the later. unfortunately it's not working: http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four > foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf > springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS (two of them jeeps). http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell axled TJ. > Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you > will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, > hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > abortion are you covering up with that sign???? Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you to remove the former from the later. unfortunately it's not working: http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> You show me a something with a TJ body on it that will have four > foot of travel between the rear and front axles, like these leaf > springs: http://www.----------.com/TJleafSpri...afRearRamp.jpg Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS (two of them jeeps). http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell axled TJ. > Also I found an 4 liter injected head that proves the problem you > will have using the stock carburetor manifold in an attempt to cover Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > them: http://www.----------.com/temp/bill_is_wrong.jpg What an idiot, > hope you lean out and suck a valve in the middle of no where. And what Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > abortion are you covering up with that sign???? Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you to remove the former from the later. unfortunately it's not working: http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me
a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that sign, instead of the picture of yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world > did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? > > I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top > truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over > suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils > that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL > WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS > (two of them jeeps). > http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ > > At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the > same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell > axled TJ. > > Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > > Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L > stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble > cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > > Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret > radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you > to remove the former from the later. > > unfortunately it's not working: > http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg > > (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times > but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me
a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that sign, instead of the picture of yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world > did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? > > I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top > truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over > suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils > that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL > WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS > (two of them jeeps). > http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ > > At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the > same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell > axled TJ. > > Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > > Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L > stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble > cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > > Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret > radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you > to remove the former from the later. > > unfortunately it's not working: > http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg > > (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times > but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me
a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that sign, instead of the picture of yourself. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > Again one custom TJ does not prove your argument Bill, how in the world > did you get though life into advanced senility without understanding that? > > I'm sure that the 52" Michelin XLT clad coil sprung TJ that won Top > truck challenge 06 can flex as much, Or how about the CJ8 with coil over > suspension that won top truck challenge 05? Or the 55 WILLYS with coils > that came in 2nd. In fact the top three finishers ALL HAD COILS AND ALL > WERE JEEPS!... If that's not enough the LAST THREE placers all had LEAFS > (two of them jeeps). > http://www.fourwheeler.com/2005toptruckchallenge/ > > At least my examples include multiple vehicles all competing over the > same obstacles. All you have is a stupid picture of someone's rockwell > axled TJ. > > Did you find the missing link, Atlantis and the second shooter? > > Actually Bill as I've said a few times now that the YJ is getting a 4.6L > stroker. That's okay you go back to starring blankly at your dribble > cup, and blurting out the occasional semi-relivant googled link. > > Man you are a paranoid freak, behind the sign is my super secret > radio-cranialrectifier, it beams signals to your house to instruct you > to remove the former from the later. > > unfortunately it's not working: > http://www.21stcenturycares.org/ADD%...E/image020.jpg > > (I've told him it's a holley throttle body injector three or four times > but he's too far gone to comprehend anything at this point) |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me > a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave you a link. All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that > sign, instead of the picture of yourself. Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me > a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave you a link. All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that > sign, instead of the picture of yourself. Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Of course it's custom, all aftermarket springs are custom, show me > a coil sprung TJ that'll out do a Real suspension. I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave you a link. All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > How about a picture of the abortion you are hiding behind that > sign, instead of the picture of yourself. Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a
REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey Mouse air filter. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 > in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung > Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave > you a link. > > All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom > 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock > crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about > Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of > yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > > Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not > mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What > on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds > first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a
REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey Mouse air filter. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 > in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung > Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave > you a link. > > All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom > 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock > crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about > Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of > yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > > Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not > mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What > on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds > first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a
REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey Mouse air filter. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Simon Juncal wrote: > > I did, you fruity lunatic :) I talked all about top truck challenge 05 > in which leaf sprung Jeeps finished in the bottom 3 while Coil sprung > Jeeps (a CJ8, 55 Willy's and a TJ) finished 1st 2nd and 3rd. I even gave > you a link. > > All you have is a picture, I've got an entire competition between custom > 4x4's that has proven my point... I can also bring up Baja, Pro Rock > crawling, CORE off-road racing. All those guy have forgotten more about > Off-roading than you could ever cram into that tiny little noggin' of > yours, even BEFORE you were overtaken with complete dementia. > > Good grief you are one of the most insane usenet kooks ever. If I'm not > mistaken you can even see the Holley base plate in that picture... What > on earth do you think I would be hiding you crazy old coot? The worlds > first Carter BBD that runs like something other than dog ----? LOL > > -- > Simon |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a > REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. Go to the web site, no "stories" just cold hard competition results, from a bunch of 4x4's competing to see which was the most capable. Again Leaf sprung 4x4's did poorly and Coil sprung Jeeps swept the top three. Four Wheeler magazine has held that competition for 10 or 15 years now, I know you've been totally divorced from reality for at least the past three decades. So I wont hold it against you that you don't know what it is. > I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey > Mouse air filter. There's no air filter on it in the Pic, I don't know what a Mickey mouse air filter is, but if I have to guess I'll bet that's your name for something you HATE because is wasn't made back in olden times from horse and buggy technology. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a > REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. Go to the web site, no "stories" just cold hard competition results, from a bunch of 4x4's competing to see which was the most capable. Again Leaf sprung 4x4's did poorly and Coil sprung Jeeps swept the top three. Four Wheeler magazine has held that competition for 10 or 15 years now, I know you've been totally divorced from reality for at least the past three decades. So I wont hold it against you that you don't know what it is. > I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey > Mouse air filter. There's no air filter on it in the Pic, I don't know what a Mickey mouse air filter is, but if I have to guess I'll bet that's your name for something you HATE because is wasn't made back in olden times from horse and buggy technology. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: CJ to TJ swap
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Don't just embellish stories about a TJ's articulation, show me a > REAL picture that tops my picture of leaf springs. Go to the web site, no "stories" just cold hard competition results, from a bunch of 4x4's competing to see which was the most capable. Again Leaf sprung 4x4's did poorly and Coil sprung Jeeps swept the top three. Four Wheeler magazine has held that competition for 10 or 15 years now, I know you've been totally divorced from reality for at least the past three decades. So I wont hold it against you that you don't know what it is. > I'm thinking with your Mickey Mouse adaptation comes a real Mickey > Mouse air filter. There's no air filter on it in the Pic, I don't know what a Mickey mouse air filter is, but if I have to guess I'll bet that's your name for something you HATE because is wasn't made back in olden times from horse and buggy technology. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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