CJ starting problems
 

Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

You sure could be describing flaky connections on the solenoid on the
fender... That solenoid needs a clean ground too.

Good luck, we are heading off for 4 days camping in a couple minutes. I
blew another hub 2 weeks ago so am on the last spare part you sent me
now... Gotta go warn hubs, one is already.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

You sure could be describing flaky connections on the solenoid on the
fender... That solenoid needs a clean ground too.

Good luck, we are heading off for 4 days camping in a couple minutes. I
blew another hub 2 weeks ago so am on the last spare part you sent me
now... Gotta go warn hubs, one is already.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

You sure could be describing flaky connections on the solenoid on the
fender... That solenoid needs a clean ground too.

Good luck, we are heading off for 4 days camping in a couple minutes. I
blew another hub 2 weeks ago so am on the last spare part you sent me
now... Gotta go warn hubs, one is already.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

You sure could be describing flaky connections on the solenoid on the
fender... That solenoid needs a clean ground too.

Good luck, we are heading off for 4 days camping in a couple minutes. I
blew another hub 2 weeks ago so am on the last spare part you sent me
now... Gotta go warn hubs, one is already.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

Hi greg,
You have a broken tooth on the flywheel ring gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

Hi greg,
You have a broken tooth on the flywheel ring gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

Hi greg,
You have a broken tooth on the flywheel ring gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

Hi greg,
You have a broken tooth on the flywheel ring gear.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Greg wrote:
>
> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months ago,
> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work, only
> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned, 258,
> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every 5th
> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked all
> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place I
> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so don't
> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going far
> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I don't
> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to 86
> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.

Re: CJ starting problems
 

Thanks, after I posted I did a little googleing, and sure enough, post on
solenoid was corroded. Googleing came up with a sight saying that when a
starter goes it corrodes that post from heat build up, so thanks, you were
right, just 10 minutes too slow :).
On a side note, what the hell are you doing to those hubs?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:427D2BBD.4F75C6D1@sympatico.ca...
> You sure could be describing flaky connections on the solenoid on the
> fender... That solenoid needs a clean ground too.
>
> Good luck, we are heading off for 4 days camping in a couple minutes. I
> blew another hub 2 weeks ago so am on the last spare part you sent me
> now... Gotta go warn hubs, one is already.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Here's the story, bare with me, 81 CJ7, starter died about 2 months
>> ago,
>> went and got a rebuilt, installed it, but about every 3rd to 5th time it
>> wouldn't start, just go err, turn key back try again and it would work,
>> only
>> had it on the road for about a month, not my daily driver so probably 20
>> starts, and 5 to 7 no starts. Just had a new engine put in, re-manned,
>> 258,
>> starter wont start it, well I shouldn't say that, will now start every
>> 5th
>> time. Engine place said don't use it and get a new starter, they checked
>> all
>> electrical, no problem, checked starter and said starter was shot, place
>> I
>> got starter from tested it, said nothing wrong, but I got new one anyway,
>> still no start, I can see were it is taking off corners of flywheel so
>> don't
>> want to try anymore. First remanned starter was a Champion, second one
>> Bosch. Any ideas from anyone? Looks to me like starter gear is not going
>> far
>> enough out to engage flywheel. These things aren't rocket science so I
>> don't
>> realy know what to do. When I got second starter I asked if there were
>> different starters for different years, he checked, something like 77 to
>> 86
>> all the same, so no luck there. If it just happened after engine swap I
>> would say something wrong there, but it was like that before.