Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
This is the way I have them:
(drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)

JimG

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> be fine, maybe?
>
> They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
>
> Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
>
> The Dealer's book has a mis print.
>
> There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
>
> Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> when the engine dropped.
>
> I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
>
> There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
>>
>> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
>> reverse torque.
>>
>> JimG
>>
>> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
>> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
>> > > twist
>> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
>> > > off
>> > > too fast.
>> >
>> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
>> > showed
>> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
>> >
>> > --
>> > _____________________
>> > HomeBrewer
>> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
>> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
>> > 99XJ Sport
>> > Remove the xxx to reply!
>> >
>> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
This is the way I have them:
(drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)

JimG

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> be fine, maybe?
>
> They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
>
> Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
>
> The Dealer's book has a mis print.
>
> There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
>
> Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> when the engine dropped.
>
> I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
>
> There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
>>
>> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
>> reverse torque.
>>
>> JimG
>>
>> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
>> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
>> > > twist
>> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
>> > > off
>> > > too fast.
>> >
>> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
>> > showed
>> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
>> >
>> > --
>> > _____________________
>> > HomeBrewer
>> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
>> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
>> > 99XJ Sport
>> > Remove the xxx to reply!
>> >
>> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
This is the way I have them:
(drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)

JimG

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> be fine, maybe?
>
> They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
>
> Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
>
> The Dealer's book has a mis print.
>
> There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
>
> Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> when the engine dropped.
>
> I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
>
> There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> JimG wrote:
>>
>> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
>> reverse torque.
>>
>> JimG
>>
>> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
>> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
>> > > twist
>> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
>> > > off
>> > > too fast.
>> >
>> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
>> > showed
>> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
>> >
>> > --
>> > _____________________
>> > HomeBrewer
>> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
>> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
>> > 99XJ Sport
>> > Remove the xxx to reply!
>> >
>> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Think again.....

I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!

The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
down.

The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
the frame side pointing up.

Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.

As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.

I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.

My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
really.

Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
down though.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
> the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
> This is the way I have them:
> (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> > be fine, maybe?
> >
> > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
> >
> > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
> >
> > The Dealer's book has a mis print.
> >
> > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
> >
> > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> > when the engine dropped.
> >
> > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
> >
> > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> >>
> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
> >> reverse torque.
> >>
> >> JimG
> >>
> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
> >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
> >> > > twist
> >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
> >> > > off
> >> > > too fast.
> >> >
> >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
> >> > showed
> >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > _____________________
> >> > HomeBrewer
> >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> >> > 99XJ Sport
> >> > Remove the xxx to reply!
> >> >
> >> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Think again.....

I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!

The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
down.

The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
the frame side pointing up.

Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.

As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.

I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.

My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
really.

Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
down though.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
> the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
> This is the way I have them:
> (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> > be fine, maybe?
> >
> > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
> >
> > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
> >
> > The Dealer's book has a mis print.
> >
> > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
> >
> > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> > when the engine dropped.
> >
> > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
> >
> > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> >>
> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
> >> reverse torque.
> >>
> >> JimG
> >>
> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
> >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
> >> > > twist
> >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
> >> > > off
> >> > > too fast.
> >> >
> >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
> >> > showed
> >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > _____________________
> >> > HomeBrewer
> >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> >> > 99XJ Sport
> >> > Remove the xxx to reply!
> >> >
> >> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Think again.....

I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!

The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
down.

The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
the frame side pointing up.

Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.

As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.

I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.

My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
really.

Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
down though.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
> the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll.
> This is the way I have them:
> (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca...
> > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road
> > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely
> > be fine, maybe?
> >
> > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up.
> >
> > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep.
> >
> > The Dealer's book has a mis print.
> >
> > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the
> > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only.
> >
> > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put
> > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because
> > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount
> > when the engine dropped.
> >
> > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right.
> >
> > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly
> > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too
> > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > JimG wrote:
> >>
> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and
> >> reverse torque.
> >>
> >> JimG
> >>
> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message...
> >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of
> >> > > twist
> >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn
> >> > > off
> >> > > too fast.
> >> >
> >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they
> >> > showed
> >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > _____________________
> >> > HomeBrewer
> >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> >> > 99XJ Sport
> >> > Remove the xxx to reply!
> >> >
> >> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Are you saying to install them like this:

Passenger side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
Drivers side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg

My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
pad.
--
_____________________
HomeBrewer
85CJ7 (in Progress)
http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
99XJ Sport
Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Are you saying to install them like this:

Passenger side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
Drivers side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg

My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
pad.
--
_____________________
HomeBrewer
85CJ7 (in Progress)
http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
99XJ Sport
Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Are you saying to install them like this:

Passenger side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
Drivers side:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg

My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
pad.
--
_____________________
HomeBrewer
85CJ7 (in Progress)
http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
99XJ Sport
Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Well, that is really interesting.....

I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right.

On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
engine mount.

If indeed your metal mounts are right for that setup, then the rubber
mounts need to be flipped upside down. You need the square hole loop to
grab the bar pin when the engine twists.

Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
smaller ones on the engine.

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Well, that is really interesting.....

I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right.

On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
engine mount.

If indeed your metal mounts are right for that setup, then the rubber
mounts need to be flipped upside down. You need the square hole loop to
grab the bar pin when the engine twists.

Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
smaller ones on the engine.

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Well, that is really interesting.....

I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right.

On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
engine mount.

If indeed your metal mounts are right for that setup, then the rubber
mounts need to be flipped upside down. You need the square hole loop to
grab the bar pin when the engine twists.

Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
smaller ones on the engine.

Mike

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Quit your braggin'! ;-) Thanks, those are the only pictures I've
found that show where to look for AMC engine size. Real Jeep engines use
a left and right mounts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Quit your braggin'! ;-) Thanks, those are the only pictures I've
found that show where to look for AMC engine size. Real Jeep engines use
a left and right mounts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Quit your braggin'! ;-) Thanks, those are the only pictures I've
found that show where to look for AMC engine size. Real Jeep engines use
a left and right mounts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Are you saying to install them like this:
>
> Passenger side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg
> Drivers side:
> http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg
>
> My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional
> bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber
> pad.
> --
> _____________________
> HomeBrewer
> 85CJ7 (in Progress)
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> 99XJ Sport
> Remove the xxx to reply!

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Mike,

After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.

I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
sure.

Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
hammer. ;-)

JimG

"Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> Think again.....
>
> I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
>
> The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> down.
>
> The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> the frame side pointing up.
>
> Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
>
> As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
>
> I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
>
> My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> really.
>
> Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> down though.
>
> Mike
>

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Mike,

After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.

I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
sure.

Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
hammer. ;-)

JimG

"Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> Think again.....
>
> I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
>
> The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> down.
>
> The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> the frame side pointing up.
>
> Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
>
> As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
>
> I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
>
> My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> really.
>
> Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> down though.
>
> Mike
>

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

Mike,

After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.

I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
sure.

Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
hammer. ;-)

JimG

"Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> Think again.....
>
> I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
>
> The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> down.
>
> The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> the frame side pointing up.
>
> Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
>
> As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
>
> I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
>
> My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> really.
>
> Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> down though.
>
> Mike
>

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

LOL! It was fun... ;-)

The thread isn't over yet.....

I know that two filters can fit on. Mine has a short small diameter
filter. Maybe look up a different year.

The best I can figure for that slot was to make up for any differences
in brands of rubber mounts. If one was thicker the hole would move a
bit. Just a guess. The filter clearance is set on the engine side.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.
>
> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.
>
> Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
> hammer. ;-)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> > Think again.....
> >
> > I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> > sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
> >
> > The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> > down.
> >
> > The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> > catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> > the frame side pointing up.
> >
> > Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> > hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
> >
> > As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> > right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
> >
> > I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> > and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
> >
> > My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> > 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> > hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> > It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> > really.
> >
> > Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> > opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> > down though.
> >
> > Mike
> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

LOL! It was fun... ;-)

The thread isn't over yet.....

I know that two filters can fit on. Mine has a short small diameter
filter. Maybe look up a different year.

The best I can figure for that slot was to make up for any differences
in brands of rubber mounts. If one was thicker the hole would move a
bit. Just a guess. The filter clearance is set on the engine side.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.
>
> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.
>
> Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
> hammer. ;-)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> > Think again.....
> >
> > I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> > sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
> >
> > The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> > down.
> >
> > The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> > catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> > the frame side pointing up.
> >
> > Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> > hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
> >
> > As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> > right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
> >
> > I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> > and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
> >
> > My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> > 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> > hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> > It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> > really.
> >
> > Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> > opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> > down though.
> >
> > Mike
> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

LOL! It was fun... ;-)

The thread isn't over yet.....

I know that two filters can fit on. Mine has a short small diameter
filter. Maybe look up a different year.

The best I can figure for that slot was to make up for any differences
in brands of rubber mounts. If one was thicker the hole would move a
bit. Just a guess. The filter clearance is set on the engine side.

Mike

JimG wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls for.
>
> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece, passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.
>
> Thanks for beating it into my thick head! I hope you didn't hurt your
> hammer. ;-)
>
> JimG
>
> "Mike Romain" wrote in message ...
> > Think again.....
> >
> > I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally
> > sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL!
> >
> > The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves
> > down.
> >
> > The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to
> > catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on
> > the frame side pointing up.
> >
> > Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the
> > hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it.
> >
> > As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one
> > right away so the engine lifted up in reverse.
> >
> > I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad
> > and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one.
> >
> > My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the
> > 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the
> > hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side.
> > It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are
> > really.
> >
> > Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go
> > opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one
> > down though.
> >
> > Mike
> >

Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

> I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
> 'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

nope, they came from a cj7 with a 304... here are some better pictures of
the same brackets installed on a 360:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount4.jpg

The frame side mounts are just like the ones for the 258, except they have
different hole pattern:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/framemount.JPG


> If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right
Hmm?


> Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
> supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
> Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
> smaller ones on the engine

You lost me!

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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

> I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
> 'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

nope, they came from a cj7 with a 304... here are some better pictures of
the same brackets installed on a 360:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount4.jpg

The frame side mounts are just like the ones for the 258, except they have
different hole pattern:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/framemount.JPG


> If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right
Hmm?


> Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
> supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
> Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
> smaller ones on the engine

You lost me!

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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

> I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the
> 'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine?

nope, they came from a cj7 with a 304... here are some better pictures of
the same brackets installed on a 360:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount4.jpg

The frame side mounts are just like the ones for the 258, except they have
different hole pattern:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/framemount.JPG


> If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right
Hmm?


> Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is
> supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked.
> Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the
> smaller ones on the engine

You lost me!

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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

I forgot to mention:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
The yellow line in this pic represents what a 258 block side mount looks
like...v8s are bigger.

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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

I forgot to mention:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
The yellow line in this pic represents what a 258 block side mount looks
like...v8s are bigger.

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I forgot to mention:
http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/360mount2.jpg
The yellow line in this pic represents what a 258 block side mount looks
like...v8s are bigger.

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> On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> engine mount.

The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.

I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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> On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> engine mount.

The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.

I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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> On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> engine mount.

The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.

I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls
> for.

Any good parts store clerk should tell you that there is a short filter and
a long filter - always get the short one.

> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece,
> passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.

Those slots are there to make it easier to set the motor in place. When
dropping the motor you only have to align the bolts to the slots and not get
the bolts through small holes. There not adjustments, the motor will always
sit at the bottom of the slots.


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> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls
> for.

Any good parts store clerk should tell you that there is a short filter and
a long filter - always get the short one.

> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece,
> passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.

Those slots are there to make it easier to set the motor in place. When
dropping the motor you only have to align the bolts to the slots and not get
the bolts through small holes. There not adjustments, the motor will always
sit at the bottom of the slots.


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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

> After laying under my Jeep for awhile, I now see your point. Now the oil
> filter, I have always used a PH25 which is what the Fram catalog calls
> for.

Any good parts store clerk should tell you that there is a short filter and
a long filter - always get the short one.

> I also notice an adjustment slot for the mount on the frame piece,
> passenger
> side. How is this adjustment set? It could make room for the filter, not
> sure.

Those slots are there to make it easier to set the motor in place. When
dropping the motor you only have to align the bolts to the slots and not get
the bolts through small holes. There not adjustments, the motor will always
sit at the bottom of the slots.


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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

I would have to go look at a V8 to know for sure so let's figure you
have it right for metal part positioning. (don't think so, but hey if
it fits who am I to argue)

The rubber mount has two metal plates. One plate has a bend and square
hole in it. The other side metal plate has a bar 'pin' on it. There is
rubber glued between these.

When the engine twists under torque, the rubber mount moves until that
square hole comes up tight on the bar pin. This stops it from moving
farther and tearing apart.

On the 258's the hole is on the engine side of the mount, so when the
passenger mount twists down, the loop on the engine side grabs the pin
on the frame side stopping any more movement. This setup needs the
mount to have the loop and pin at the top on the passenger side.

On your setup, you have the mounts reversed from the 258 setup. You
have the loop on the frame side and the bar pin on the engine side.

This means you need the passenger side loop and pin to be at the bottom
to catch it.

As the engine twists down, the pin on the engine side goes down so the
loop on the frame side needs to be at the bottom to catch it. Reverse
that for the drivers side.

Hope that makes sense... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> > On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> > mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> > has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> > engine mount.
>
> The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
> bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.
>
> I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

I would have to go look at a V8 to know for sure so let's figure you
have it right for metal part positioning. (don't think so, but hey if
it fits who am I to argue)

The rubber mount has two metal plates. One plate has a bend and square
hole in it. The other side metal plate has a bar 'pin' on it. There is
rubber glued between these.

When the engine twists under torque, the rubber mount moves until that
square hole comes up tight on the bar pin. This stops it from moving
farther and tearing apart.

On the 258's the hole is on the engine side of the mount, so when the
passenger mount twists down, the loop on the engine side grabs the pin
on the frame side stopping any more movement. This setup needs the
mount to have the loop and pin at the top on the passenger side.

On your setup, you have the mounts reversed from the 258 setup. You
have the loop on the frame side and the bar pin on the engine side.

This means you need the passenger side loop and pin to be at the bottom
to catch it.

As the engine twists down, the pin on the engine side goes down so the
loop on the frame side needs to be at the bottom to catch it. Reverse
that for the drivers side.

Hope that makes sense... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> > On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> > mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> > has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> > engine mount.
>
> The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
> bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.
>
> I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
 

I would have to go look at a V8 to know for sure so let's figure you
have it right for metal part positioning. (don't think so, but hey if
it fits who am I to argue)

The rubber mount has two metal plates. One plate has a bend and square
hole in it. The other side metal plate has a bar 'pin' on it. There is
rubber glued between these.

When the engine twists under torque, the rubber mount moves until that
square hole comes up tight on the bar pin. This stops it from moving
farther and tearing apart.

On the 258's the hole is on the engine side of the mount, so when the
passenger mount twists down, the loop on the engine side grabs the pin
on the frame side stopping any more movement. This setup needs the
mount to have the loop and pin at the top on the passenger side.

On your setup, you have the mounts reversed from the 258 setup. You
have the loop on the frame side and the bar pin on the engine side.

This means you need the passenger side loop and pin to be at the bottom
to catch it.

As the engine twists down, the pin on the engine side goes down so the
loop on the frame side needs to be at the bottom to catch it. Reverse
that for the drivers side.

Hope that makes sense... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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>
> > On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the
> > mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only
> > has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the
> > engine mount.
>
> The v8 pads have two bolts on both sides...the only difference being the
> bolts are in line on the frame side and diagional on the block side.
>
> I'm getting more confused by the minute.
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