Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge
and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... Mike Romain wrote: > Does your gas gauge work? > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>say this...). >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>> >>>You are describing ground stealing. >>> >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>> >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>rusty bolts out?) >>> >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>grill for the front lights. >>> >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>> >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>> >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>> >>>Mike >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> >>>Rob wrote: >>> >>> >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>at all. Egads! >>>> >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>> >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>> >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge
and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... Mike Romain wrote: > Does your gas gauge work? > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>say this...). >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>> >>>You are describing ground stealing. >>> >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>> >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>rusty bolts out?) >>> >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>grill for the front lights. >>> >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>> >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>> >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>> >>>Mike >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> >>>Rob wrote: >>> >>> >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>at all. Egads! >>>> >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>> >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>> >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge
and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... Mike Romain wrote: > Does your gas gauge work? > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>say this...). >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>> >>>You are describing ground stealing. >>> >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>> >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>rusty bolts out?) >>> >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>grill for the front lights. >>> >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>> >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>> >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>> >>>Mike >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> >>>Rob wrote: >>> >>> >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>at all. Egads! >>>> >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>> >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>> >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace.
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge > and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Does your gas gauge work? > > > > Mike > > > > Jim85CJ wrote: > > > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > >>say this...). > >> > >>Mike Romain wrote: > >> > >> > >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > >>> > >>>You are describing ground stealing. > >>> > >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > >>> > >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > >>>rusty bolts out?) > >>> > >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > >>>grill for the front lights. > >>> > >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > >>> > >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > >>> > >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > >>> > >>>Mike > >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> > >>>Rob wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>>>at all. Egads! > >>>> > >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>> > >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>>>> > >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>>>switch!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Rob > >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace.
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge > and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Does your gas gauge work? > > > > Mike > > > > Jim85CJ wrote: > > > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > >>say this...). > >> > >>Mike Romain wrote: > >> > >> > >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > >>> > >>>You are describing ground stealing. > >>> > >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > >>> > >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > >>>rusty bolts out?) > >>> > >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > >>>grill for the front lights. > >>> > >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > >>> > >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > >>> > >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > >>> > >>>Mike > >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> > >>>Rob wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>>>at all. Egads! > >>>> > >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>> > >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>>>> > >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>>>switch!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Rob > >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace.
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge > and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Does your gas gauge work? > > > > Mike > > > > Jim85CJ wrote: > > > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > >>say this...). > >> > >>Mike Romain wrote: > >> > >> > >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > >>> > >>>You are describing ground stealing. > >>> > >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > >>> > >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > >>>rusty bolts out?) > >>> > >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > >>>grill for the front lights. > >>> > >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > >>> > >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > >>> > >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > >>> > >>>Mike > >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> > >>>Rob wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>>>at all. Egads! > >>>> > >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>> > >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>>>> > >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>>>switch!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Rob > >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace.
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge > and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Does your gas gauge work? > > > > Mike > > > > Jim85CJ wrote: > > > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > >>say this...). > >> > >>Mike Romain wrote: > >> > >> > >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > >>> > >>>You are describing ground stealing. > >>> > >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > >>> > >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > >>>rusty bolts out?) > >>> > >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > >>>grill for the front lights. > >>> > >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > >>> > >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > >>> > >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > >>> > >>>Mike > >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >>> > >>>Rob wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>>>at all. Egads! > >>>> > >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>> > >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>>>> > >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>>>switch!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Rob > >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
I will. It's weird because if memory serves, it's a two piece unit...
I'll have to snap a pic... Mike Romain wrote: > Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace. > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge >> and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>Does your gas gauge work? >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>Jim85CJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>>>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>>>say this...). >>>> >>>>Mike Romain wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>>>> >>>>>You are describing ground stealing. >>>>> >>>>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>>>> >>>>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>>>rusty bolts out?) >>>>> >>>>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>>>grill for the front lights. >>>>> >>>>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>>>> >>>>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>>>> >>>>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> >>>>>Rob wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>>>at all. Egads! >>>>>> >>>>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rob >>>>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
I will. It's weird because if memory serves, it's a two piece unit...
I'll have to snap a pic... Mike Romain wrote: > Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace. > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge >> and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>Does your gas gauge work? >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>Jim85CJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>>>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>>>say this...). >>>> >>>>Mike Romain wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>>>> >>>>>You are describing ground stealing. >>>>> >>>>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>>>> >>>>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>>>rusty bolts out?) >>>>> >>>>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>>>grill for the front lights. >>>>> >>>>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>>>> >>>>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>>>> >>>>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> >>>>>Rob wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>>>at all. Egads! >>>>>> >>>>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rob >>>>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
I will. It's weird because if memory serves, it's a two piece unit...
I'll have to snap a pic... Mike Romain wrote: > Check the oil sender unit, they get flaky and are cheap to replace. > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge >> and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>Does your gas gauge work? >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>Jim85CJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>>>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>>>say this...). >>>> >>>>Mike Romain wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>>>> >>>>>You are describing ground stealing. >>>>> >>>>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>>>> >>>>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>>>rusty bolts out?) >>>>> >>>>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>>>grill for the front lights. >>>>> >>>>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>>>> >>>>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>>>> >>>>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>> >>>>>Rob wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>>>at all. Egads! >>>>>> >>>>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rob >>>>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
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