Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Real jeeps don't need wires...
Rob wrote: > The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > > The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > switch!!! > > I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > > The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > > Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > > > Rob > '83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just
dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I say this...). Mike Romain wrote: > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > You are describing ground stealing. > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > rusty bolts out?) > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > grill for the front lights. > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Rob wrote: > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>at all. Egads! >> >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >> >>Rob >> >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >> >> >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>> >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>> >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>switch!!! >>>> >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>> >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>> >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>Rob >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just
dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I say this...). Mike Romain wrote: > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > You are describing ground stealing. > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > rusty bolts out?) > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > grill for the front lights. > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Rob wrote: > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>at all. Egads! >> >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >> >>Rob >> >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >> >> >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>> >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>> >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>switch!!! >>>> >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>> >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>> >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>Rob >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just
dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I say this...). Mike Romain wrote: > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > You are describing ground stealing. > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > rusty bolts out?) > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > grill for the front lights. > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Rob wrote: > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>at all. Egads! >> >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >> >>Rob >> >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >> >> >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>> >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>> >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>switch!!! >>>> >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>> >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>> >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>Rob >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just
dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I say this...). Mike Romain wrote: > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > You are describing ground stealing. > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > rusty bolts out?) > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > grill for the front lights. > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Rob wrote: > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>at all. Egads! >> >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >> >>Rob >> >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >> >> >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>> >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>> >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>switch!!! >>>> >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>> >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>> >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>Rob >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Does your gas gauge work?
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > say this...). > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > > > You are describing ground stealing. > > > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > > rusty bolts out?) > > > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > > grill for the front lights. > > > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Rob wrote: > > > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>at all. Egads! > >> > >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >> > >>Rob > >> > >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>> > >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>> > >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>switch!!! > >>>> > >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>> > >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>> > >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Does your gas gauge work?
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > say this...). > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > > > You are describing ground stealing. > > > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > > rusty bolts out?) > > > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > > grill for the front lights. > > > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Rob wrote: > > > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>at all. Egads! > >> > >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >> > >>Rob > >> > >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>> > >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>> > >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>switch!!! > >>>> > >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>> > >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>> > >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Does your gas gauge work?
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > say this...). > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > > > You are describing ground stealing. > > > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > > rusty bolts out?) > > > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > > grill for the front lights. > > > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Rob wrote: > > > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>at all. Egads! > >> > >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >> > >>Rob > >> > >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>> > >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>> > >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>switch!!! > >>>> > >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>> > >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>> > >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
Does your gas gauge work?
Mike Jim85CJ wrote: > > My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just > dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I > say this...). > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > And likely an easy couple of fixes too. > > > > You are describing ground stealing. > > > > First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from > > the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that > > goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. > > > > Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove > > it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are > > the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to > > make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one > > side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire > > directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground > > when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the > > rusty bolts out?) > > > > The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates > > on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front > > grill for the front lights. > > > > The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a > > few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. > > > > Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. > > > > 'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Rob wrote: > > > >>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights > >>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires > >>at all. Egads! > >> > >>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal > >>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to > >>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low > >>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is > >>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of > >>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of > >>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? > >> > >>Rob > >> > >>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham > >><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes > >>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio > >>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you > >>>accidentally bumped is now loose... > >>> > >>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, > >>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 > >>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... > >>>> > >>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the > >>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, > >>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing > >>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the > >>>>switch!!! > >>>> > >>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, > >>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. > >>>> > >>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled > >>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn > >>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. > >>>> > >>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, > >>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Rob > >>>>'83 CJ-7 |
Re: CJ Brake light switch - moan and groan
yup. the only thing that doesn't work so well is the oil pressure gauge
and the tach sticks 75% of the time until I tap it... Mike Romain wrote: > Does your gas gauge work? > > Mike > > Jim85CJ wrote: > >>My "mesh strap that goes from one side of the engine mount" is just >>dangling but I don't have any electrical issues (of course, now that I >>say this...). >> >>Mike Romain wrote: >> >> >>>And likely an easy couple of fixes too. >>> >>>You are describing ground stealing. >>> >>>First clean up or replace the rotten mesh ground strap that goes from >>>the back of the head to the firewall. There is another mesh strap that >>>goes from one side of the engine mount to the other as well. >>> >>>Then go to the back light fixture where the signal is punky and remove >>>it from the Jeep and clean up the bolts holding it on. These bolts are >>>the ground for the brakes and signals. Check the bulb while in there to >>>make sure the glass hasn't fallen loose from the brass base. If one >>>side is that rotted, it can't hurt to do them both. (I soldered a wire >>>directly onto the base holder for the bulb and ran a dedicated ground >>>when I did my 'glass body build, maybe that is easier than getting the >>>rusty bolts out?) >>> >>>The running lights use their own ground which is a wire. It terminates >>>on a bolt for the rear lights at the end of the harness and on the front >>>grill for the front lights. >>> >>>The haynes CJ manual has excellent wiring schematics. I have rewired a >>>few CJs and even a YJ 258 using that book. >>> >>>Meanwhile, if you do the above, your troubles might just all go away. >>> >>>'And' you can leave that damn switch alone. ;-) >>> >>>Mike >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>> >>>Rob wrote: >>> >>> >>>>And that's the scary part. The wires that I wiggle and it the lights >>>>seem to work a little ... don't seem to be related to the switch wires >>>>at all. Egads! >>>> >>>>I like your description about the disco lights. My left turn signal >>>>stays on when the lights are on. High beam only works. when I go to >>>>low beam, the whole dash and headlights go out (I don't switch to low >>>>beam anymore. :) The voltmeter bounces around when a turn signal is >>>>on - which functions quite well as a turn signal reminder! And of >>>>course there are a number of guages that don't work. I knew most of >>>>this when I bought it. Just part of the fun, right? >>>> >>>>Rob >>>> >>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:46 -0400, aGraham >>>><aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>oh you are just starting.... My dash looks like a dance club sometimes >>>>>with all of the flashing lights and needles bouncing, and the radio >>>>>speakers switching back and forth.... Fix one things and the wire you >>>>>accidentally bumped is now loose... >>>>> >>>>>In article <b1lqb015o1umhjmqsdvrvomphjmq8idj9t@4ax.com>, >>>>>Rob <rob.mullins@verizon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The brake lights used to work - I checked them before I bought it 2-3 >>>>>>weeks ago. Don't ask how I found out they *weren't* working.... >>>>>> >>>>>>The point of this is to moan about what an inconvenient place the >>>>>>brake light switch is located. After taking out the driver seat, >>>>>>using a piece of wood to keep the clutch pedal on the floor, and doing >>>>>>some general tongue calisthenics, I was finally able to *touch* the >>>>>>switch!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>I loosened it, not daring to actually remove it from the connector, >>>>>>and sprayed some contact cleaner hoping that's all that was wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>The brakes worked ... until I drove to work this morning. I wiggled >>>>>>wires and it went back on ... and off again. Guess I'll have to learn >>>>>>more about the CJ's wiring than I hoped this early into it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyway, just moaning ... I'm sure there are harder to get to parts, >>>>>>but that one didn't seem to NEED to be that hard to get to. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob >>>>>>'83 CJ-7 |
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