Chrysler may be sold
The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will
go with it) off from its corporate structure. DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German engineering. Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
yeah or toyota
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >> >> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >> engineering. >> >> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
yeah or toyota
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >> >> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >> engineering. >> >> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
yeah or toyota
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >> >> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >> engineering. >> >> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that Hondas
are the best engineered car in the world. Saludos, Earle "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that Hondas
are the best engineered car in the world. Saludos, Earle "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that Hondas
are the best engineered car in the world. Saludos, Earle "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > Only 'cause the Yugo isn't around anymore. Especially the turbo models. Spdloader |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > Only 'cause the Yugo isn't around anymore. Especially the turbo models. Spdloader |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > Hondas > are the best engineered car in the world. > > Saludos, > > Earle > Only 'cause the Yugo isn't around anymore. Especially the turbo models. Spdloader |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. ....well, what about the Sprinter, the 5-speed automatics, and (unless I'm mistaken) the basis for the 4.7 & up engines? |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. ....well, what about the Sprinter, the 5-speed automatics, and (unless I'm mistaken) the basis for the 4.7 & up engines? |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered
> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. ....well, what about the Sprinter, the 5-speed automatics, and (unless I'm mistaken) the basis for the 4.7 & up engines? |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something...
That is pretty old news there Bret... Full moon or something? Oh eclipse, right.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something...
That is pretty old news there Bret... Full moon or something? Oh eclipse, right.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something...
That is pretty old news there Bret... Full moon or something? Oh eclipse, right.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bret Ludwig wrote: > The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > go with it) off from its corporate structure. > > DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > engineering. > > Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... > > That is pretty old news there Bret... > > Full moon or something? > > Oh eclipse, right.... > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... > > That is pretty old news there Bret... > > Full moon or something? > > Oh eclipse, right.... > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... > > That is pretty old news there Bret... > > Full moon or something? > > Oh eclipse, right.... > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > yeah or toyota > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >> Hondas >> are the best engineered car in the world. >> >> Saludos, >> >> Earle >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>> engineering. >>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > yeah or toyota > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >> Hondas >> are the best engineered car in the world. >> >> Saludos, >> >> Earle >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>> engineering. >>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise
when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > yeah or toyota > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >> Hondas >> are the best engineered car in the world. >> >> Saludos, >> >> Earle >> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>> >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>> engineering. >>> >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Word locally is this is DCX's way of positioning itself for the upcoming UAW
contract talks..... "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173222938.128149.116230@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com... > On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... >> >> That is pretty old news there Bret... >> >> Full moon or something? >> >> Oh eclipse, right.... >> > > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting > down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Word locally is this is DCX's way of positioning itself for the upcoming UAW
contract talks..... "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173222938.128149.116230@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com... > On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... >> >> That is pretty old news there Bret... >> >> Full moon or something? >> >> Oh eclipse, right.... >> > > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting > down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Word locally is this is DCX's way of positioning itself for the upcoming UAW
contract talks..... "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173222938.128149.116230@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com... > On Mar 6, 4:43 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> It would appear you just crawled out from under a rock or something... >> >> That is pretty old news there Bret... >> >> Full moon or something? >> >> Oh eclipse, right.... >> > > What's more news is the concrete fact that DCX management is sitting > down with private capital firms to actually do a deal. > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota
or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after that. LOL "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... >> yeah or toyota >> >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >>> Hondas >>> are the best engineered car in the world. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>>> >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>>> engineering. >>>> >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota
or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after that. LOL "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... >> yeah or toyota >> >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >>> Hondas >>> are the best engineered car in the world. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>>> >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>>> engineering. >>>> >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota
or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after that. LOL "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... >> yeah or toyota >> >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that >>> Hondas >>> are the best engineered car in the world. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. >>>> >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German >>>> engineering. >>>> >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even Mercedes.
Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I believe I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where the transmission level check is at. That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you would never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^) Earle "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled > out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks > in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back > under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > > yeah or toyota > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >> Hondas > >> are the best engineered car in the world. > >> > >> Saludos, > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>> > >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>> engineering. > >>> > >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even Mercedes.
Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I believe I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where the transmission level check is at. That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you would never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^) Earle "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled > out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks > in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back > under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > > yeah or toyota > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >> Hondas > >> are the best engineered car in the world. > >> > >> Saludos, > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>> > >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>> engineering. > >>> > >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
That experience is unusual, but it does happen with any make, even Mercedes.
Odyssey is a minivan, isn't it? I've got like 90,000 on my Civic, and I never did anything except for maintenance items and tires for it. I believe I have the original tires on the back. I still haven't figured out where the transmission level check is at. That arrogant attitude is bad. I've seen it too, in places where you would never expect it, like Dodge dealerships. ;^) Earle "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we pulled > out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of 4 weeks > in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy it back > under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix it. > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for good. > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > > yeah or toyota > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >> Hondas > >> are the best engineered car in the world. > >> > >> Saludos, > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>> > >>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>> engineering. > >>> > >>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I always carry a camera.
Earle "Scootter" <urn4trouble@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:93oHh.3269$iw4.1379@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t... > I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > > it. > > > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > > good. > > > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > >> yeah or toyota > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >>> Hondas > >>> are the best engineered car in the world. > >>> > >>> Saludos, > >>> > >>> Earle > >>> > >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>>> > >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>>> engineering. > >>>> > >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I always carry a camera.
Earle "Scootter" <urn4trouble@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:93oHh.3269$iw4.1379@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t... > I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > > it. > > > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > > good. > > > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > >> yeah or toyota > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >>> Hondas > >>> are the best engineered car in the world. > >>> > >>> Saludos, > >>> > >>> Earle > >>> > >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>>> > >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>>> engineering. > >>>> > >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
I always carry a camera.
Earle "Scootter" <urn4trouble@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:93oHh.3269$iw4.1379@newssvr23.news.prodigy.ne t... > I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:XNadnRD8qva_lnPYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > We leased a brand-new Honda Odessey a few years back. Imagine our suprise > > when we found a ten-inch-wide puddle of oil under the engine when we > > pulled out of the garage on the second day. It was in the shop a total of > > 4 weeks in our first two months of ownership. Eventually they had to buy > > it back under Michigan's lemon law because the dealership could never fix > > it. > > > > And the DVD player screen was all screwed up, too. > > > > Better engineered, maybe, maybe not. The arrogance of "This never happens > > with Hondas" we encountered at every turn has put me off the brand for > > good. > > > > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:LglHh.2880$tv6.2736@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t... > >> yeah or toyota > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > >> news:PpednVwBcYxwQ3DYnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>> If you are willing to talk price/quality optimization, I submit that > >>> Hondas > >>> are the best engineered car in the world. > >>> > >>> Saludos, > >>> > >>> Earle > >>> > >>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>> news:1173216259.971728.61600@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>>> The word now is that DCX may split Chrysler (and certainly Jeep will > >>>> go with it) off from its corporate structure. > >>>> > >>>> DCX has been a failure not because of Chrysler, but because of German > >>>> management who refuse to make good on the idea under which the merger > >>>> was founded...that the two would benefit from American manufacturing > >>>> (cheaper than German and with good quality given good management, as > >>>> the Japanese US plants and Saturn have proved) and branding and German > >>>> engineering. > >>>> > >>>> Mechanically, the Mercedes Benz is mostly still the best engineered > >>>> car in the world. Most of its issues have been electrical. But DCX has > >>>> refused to take advantage of US design at all in its products (they > >>>> should have bought Delphi when it was in trouble) and also refused to > >>>> put the better pieces of Mercedes engineering in the US product, > >>>> claiming it would dilute the exclusivity of Mercedes products. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability beyond that is secondary. That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb anymore? Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their own power. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability beyond that is secondary. That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb anymore? Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their own power. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota > or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on > the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the > highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped > like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. > Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after > that. LOL Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability beyond that is secondary. That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb anymore? Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their own power. |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Hmm... my Studebaker has a Sanden compressor <G>
Jeff DeWitt RapidRonnie wrote: > On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota >>or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on >>the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the >>highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped >>like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. >>Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after >>that. LOL > > > > Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is > important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before > major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability > beyond that is secondary. > > That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run > astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. > The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are > the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put > behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind > 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The > SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also > astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they > put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. > How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. > > A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND > alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a > lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb > anymore? > > Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat > is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their > own power. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Hmm... my Studebaker has a Sanden compressor <G>
Jeff DeWitt RapidRonnie wrote: > On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota >>or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on >>the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the >>highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped >>like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. >>Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after >>that. LOL > > > > Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is > important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before > major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability > beyond that is secondary. > > That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run > astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. > The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are > the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put > behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind > 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The > SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also > astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they > put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. > How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. > > A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND > alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a > lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb > anymore? > > Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat > is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their > own power. > |
Re: Chrysler may be sold
Hmm... my Studebaker has a Sanden compressor <G>
Jeff DeWitt RapidRonnie wrote: > On Mar 6, 6:54 pm, "Scootter" <urn4trou...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>I hear you, Sure gets old hearing that you can't do any wrong with a Toyota >>or Honda. Tell that guy in the Toyota camary I was following last week on >>the highway when his hood decided to open up. Picture driving down the >>highway I96 in Detroit doing 55 and not seeing anything. The hood was shaped >>like a "C" folded on the roof. Dam! Yimes like that I wish I had a camera. >>Better yet picturing the guy dancing on the hood trying to close it after >>that. LOL > > > > Mechanically, the Japanese car manufacturers figured out that what is > important is the length of time that 80% of the fleet goes before > major repairs are needed such that the car is junked. Rebuildability > beyond that is secondary. > > That said the Japanese build some exemplary mechanicals that run > astonishingly long times and will take much more than you'd expect. > The Toyota pushrod fours were fantastically long lived engines as are > the Toyota Supra five and six speed transmissions the Australians put > behind A series mopar engines all the time (and the six speed behind > 383s.) The inline four and six OHC Nissans were tough engines too. The > SD and RD Nissan Diesels and the flat four Subarus are also > astonishingly tough. People bet their lives on the Subaru when they > put them in aircraft: somethhing like 2500 are flying, which is a lot. > How many people fly a small block Chevy? Two I have heard of. > > A lot of the old Japanese accessories were no good, but now the ND > alternators and Sanden compressors are good enough you see them on a > lot of hot rods. Their carburetors were poor, but who runs a carb > anymore? > > Most Hondas are long lived if not abused but one really good overheat > is all she wrote. Still, usually they go to the crusher under their > own power. > |
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