Hi Earle,
I don't believe my Harleys ever had a filter under their covers
that directed the intake towards the rear.
You had a filter screen, which was more than most small cars had.
Many put the aftermarket toilet paper bypass filter on.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> My snowblower doesn't even have an air filter. If you are concerned about
> the K&N "leaking" you can always get the Outerwears® Pre-Filter for use "bei
> starkem Dustfall", as it used to say on the decal with instructions for
> cleaning your VW air cleaner. Speaking of VW, it didn't even have an oil
> filter. In the seventies the hot trick was to invert the top of the air
> filter enclosure, thereby bypassing a bunch of pollution controls including
> any cold air intake, but ensuring a ready supply of air. Most of the people
> I saw using this trick never cleaned or replaced the filter element.
>
> I think one element that people are missing, is to pay some attention to
> what kind of environment you are operating in. Sand, for example, is likely
> to be different from highway or city, unless you live in the Southwest.
>
> Earle

 

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"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
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> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>> overall performance.
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>
> --
> FRH

 

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"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
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> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>> overall performance.
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>
> --
> FRH

 

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"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>> overall performance.
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>
> --
> FRH

 

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"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>> overall performance.
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>
> --
> FRH

 

billy ray wrote:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>> overall performance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
>> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
>> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
>> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
>> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
>> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
>> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
>> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
>> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
>> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
>> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.

--
FRH

 

billy ray wrote:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>> overall performance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
>> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
>> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
>> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
>> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
>> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
>> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
>> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
>> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
>> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
>> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.

--
FRH

 

billy ray wrote:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>> overall performance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
>> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
>> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
>> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
>> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
>> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
>> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
>> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
>> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
>> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
>> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.

--
FRH

 

billy ray wrote:
> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have a
>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How could
>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't? There
>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had no
>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>> overall performance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the intake
>> manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box there is
>> a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the height of
>> the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It terminated inside
>> the engine compartment although very high up. It was definitely not
>> connected outside the engine compartment. The inside diameter of the of
>> the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My knuckle won't fit inside.
>> The snorkel reminds me of the old metal encased air cleaners of the '50s
>> and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending out from the round metal cover of
>> the filter element. We'd pull that off and put on a less restrictive air
>> cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed, cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.

--
FRH

 

You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
with a comment about your system.

I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air

If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.

As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)

The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.

Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable





"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
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> billy ray wrote:
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>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH