Cherokee "progress" today
#131
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
#132
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
#133
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
news:46gsimFatfrvU1@individual.net:
>> Are those bodies in as good a conditon as they look ? You don't find
>> that kind around the NE.
>> Got a pic of the commando ? and is the frame good ?
>
> The one I stripped had some small rust holes in the floor, but saving
> it wasn't in the plan, and towing it East is costly. I offered the
> body free for 2 weeks before i dismantled it.
> The 74 has a floor badly rusted out, by California standards. It's not
> all palm trees and beaches out here.
> The Jeepster bodies I have, both are pretty bad, as is one frame
> (metal fatigue) but since I don't want to build a rig i cant rub a
> tree with, that's OK with me. Frames are easy to find here, but again,
> shipping is impossible and if you want to come out and get some, i can
> get guys to save them.
>
> Plenty of pics on this page, my Jeepster is in the 15th and 16th pics
> here, and a few other places on the page
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/Rubicon%20Trip.htm
> better shots of it here, about in the middle,
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori....src=ph&store=
> &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
I also seem to remember there is some guy in texas that is restoring FSJ's
and reselling them for some healthy money...
#134
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:09 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com>
wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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#135
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:09 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com>
wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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#136
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:09 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com>
wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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#137
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:28:09 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com>
wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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wrote:
>> http://www.vincesvintage.net/
>>
>>
>
> Very cool! I went from the German car business to restorations in 89, spent
>my first 5 years as a machinist/mechanic in a barn doing restorations along
>with a bodyman on Stearns-Knight cars, fun engines those sleeve valves.
>Came to another resto shop when he closed, but the local guy is a real
>weasel. Mostly pre-war stuff, rich owners heading for Pebble and the like. A
>couple are collecting dust in the Nethercut Museum.
>Some of the cars are here, along with some of my own lesser vehicles and
>silly crap,
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/arbori...el%3as,7%3af,0
The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
My personal fav at Vince's happens to be a '29 International truck I'm
working on. Pretty interesting to see how they built things back when
the top speed of the vehicle was expected to be less than 35 mph.
>I found the resto business paid about 2/3 to 1/2 of what I could make
>keeping yuppies on the road, but I love it. This British racer gig is damned
>good money for my area, it seems that smart racers know they could lose it
>all on turn one and consider their racing budget expendable, unlike those
>who look at antique cars as an investment, ruining the hobby for the rest of
>us.
Yeah, this job is just too much like tinkering in my own garage. I'm
having a ball, and the money's enough to pay the bills. Heck, with a
job like this I won't have to retire, I can just work less hours as
the years go by.
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'74 XLH chopper(somebody else's baby now)
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM, DOF#51, DH#2
"There's only 1 RE"
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
> The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
#139
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
> The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
#140
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Re: Cherokee "progress" today
> The Austin with the side car is awesome! The BSA isn't bad either.
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
The 63 A-65 BSA is under restoration, waiting for me to make some more
disposable money. The sidecar is a fake, I was visiting San Diego and took
my Wing with sidecar and dog, and since I was to be there a month and hate
the hack, so I removed it, and set it on the running board of the 1930
"Chummy" for the photo, and photoshopped the color. It was printed in the
New Zealand Austin club newsletter.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty