Cherokee or Liberty???
12-21-2005, 09:26 PM
#31
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
I agree, I bought my 2000 Grand Cherokee Limited WJ (with selec-trac)
with every possible amenity except heated seats (including sunroof,
leather, dual power seats, etc) with <70k miles for $12k earlier this
year. The original sales tag was still in it at $35,500. Its a DAMN nice
vehicle for an affordable price. It also handles snow, ice, and gravel
better than my Tahoe ever did, and almost laughably so. If you look
around you could probably find a better deal on an XJ, ZJ, or KJ. Or
even a WJ if so inclined. It all depends on your needs.
Brandonb
billy ray wrote:
> Why would you consider a Liberty and not a ZJ or WJ Grand Cherokees?
>
> That you are considering a Liberty implies to me that you have interest in
> more than just a utilitarian vehicle.
>
> If your interest is to upgrade the vehicle for more off-road you will find
> ZJ parts plentiful and ZJs went to Select-Trac as the standard autobox in, I
> believe, '96.
>
> As for your budget you can buy a lot for $16k.
>
with every possible amenity except heated seats (including sunroof,
leather, dual power seats, etc) with <70k miles for $12k earlier this
year. The original sales tag was still in it at $35,500. Its a DAMN nice
vehicle for an affordable price. It also handles snow, ice, and gravel
better than my Tahoe ever did, and almost laughably so. If you look
around you could probably find a better deal on an XJ, ZJ, or KJ. Or
even a WJ if so inclined. It all depends on your needs.
Brandonb
billy ray wrote:
> Why would you consider a Liberty and not a ZJ or WJ Grand Cherokees?
>
> That you are considering a Liberty implies to me that you have interest in
> more than just a utilitarian vehicle.
>
> If your interest is to upgrade the vehicle for more off-road you will find
> ZJ parts plentiful and ZJs went to Select-Trac as the standard autobox in, I
> believe, '96.
>
> As for your budget you can buy a lot for $16k.
>
12-21-2005, 09:27 PM
#32
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
12-21-2005, 09:27 PM
#33
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
12-21-2005, 09:27 PM
#34
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
12-21-2005, 09:33 PM
#35
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
coyotefred@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
12-21-2005, 09:33 PM
#36
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
coyotefred@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
12-21-2005, 09:33 PM
#37
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
coyotefred@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
> I'm hoping you all can help me with a Jeep buying decision. I'm
> trying to decide between a late 90s/early 2000s Cherokee (not the
> Grands, just straight Cherokee) and a 2002 or 2003 Jeep Liberty.
>
> I'd like to spend no more than $16000, and would like to pay
> something less than that (Santa has to pay his bills).
>
> This Jeep would be seeing about 75% paved/highway driving (60
> miles/day), 15% lousy gravel, rock and "gumbo" county roads and
> pasture 2-track (including the 4-mile gumbo stretch to my house), and a
> little moderate "off-roading" now and then (by necessity rather
> than choice) for hunting and fishing trips.
>
> I'm only looking at Cherokees and Libertys with Selec-trac, since I
> want the option of full-time4WD for mixed driving conditions on our
> highways during winter.
>
> Bottom-line I need to decide whether it is worth it to spend another
> $5-$6000 for Liberty. For example, I can get a '99 Selec-trac
> Cherokee in great shape with 62K miles for around $9000. Or I can
> spend around $16,000 for a 2003 Liberty with Selec-trac.
>
> It seems to me that I'd be paying for lots of appearance and
> "comfort" stuff with the Liberty that I'm not particularly
> interested in. I actually like the simple and blocky old look of the
> Cherokee.
>
> But maybe there are some reliability or performance reasons to spend
> more for a newer Liberty rather than that '99 Cherokee. Gas mileage
> seems about the same. I think the Liberty has a little more ground
> clearance though.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
Well I've got an '02 Liberty and a '04 Wrangler. I liked the Cherokee
and was upset when it was discontinued, but the V-6 Liberty kind of
grows on you. The gas mileage is better than the Cherokee and it is more
manuverable in tight places. Of course it will cost more than a '99
Cherokee...duh! And it will go darn near anywhere I can take the
Wrangler. Great ground clearance and a bit narrower than the Cherokee.
--
FRH
12-21-2005, 10:53 PM
#38
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
<coyotefred@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135218465.320640.276430@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
:I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
: I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
: needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
: real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
: CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
: CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
: tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
: of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
: and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
: service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
: they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
: Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
Then you should avoid the Libby for sure.
All the shade trees will probabaly not know about it. Seems that's the case
for me here (not that I need anyone yet)
KJK
:
12-21-2005, 10:53 PM
#39
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
<coyotefred@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135218465.320640.276430@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
:I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
: I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
: needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
: real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
: CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
: CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
: tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
: of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
: and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
: service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
: they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
: Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
Then you should avoid the Libby for sure.
All the shade trees will probabaly not know about it. Seems that's the case
for me here (not that I need anyone yet)
KJK
:
12-21-2005, 10:53 PM
#40
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Re: Cherokee or Liberty???
<coyotefred@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135218465.320640.276430@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
:I hear ya....the rig I'm replacing is a '94 Toyota xtracab pickup which
: I'm just nearing 270,000 miles on. 'Nothing but routine maintenance
: needed...very reliable. 'Decent 4wd system for the backcountry; not
: real great for at all for snowy roads and ice. I thought about the
: CR-V and Subaru because of reliability. Our local mail carriers love
: CR-Vs and I've seen them move through gumbo roads that were sticking
: tractors. 'Better mileage too. But I'm not convinced the AWD systems
: of these are better than Jeep's, and as you say no true part-time 4WD
: and 4low. And limited ground clearance too. Also as far as
: service...Jeeps may be less reliable but in my rural neck of the woods
: they can be fixed by just about anyone...not as easy for Honda or
: Subaru... :) I'd like that diesel if I could afford it :)
Then you should avoid the Libby for sure.
All the shade trees will probabaly not know about it. Seems that's the case
for me here (not that I need anyone yet)
KJK
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